why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

[Kisshu]

With the introduction of the two new abjuration sets, the number of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations has been increased.
Previously those jobs had three abjuration sets each to choose from, BST/BRD/DRG had two sets and all the other jobs only had one set to choose from.

Of all the melee jobs, WAR/PLD/DRK already dominated the abjuration selection, yet with the introduction of Einherjar they were given yet another set to a total of four while alot of melee still only have and one job, PUP, do not have a single set.

Why did you decide to make a new abjuration for WAR/PLD/DRK instead of one for more neglated jobs?

Edit: Forgot BLU had Wyrmal set

[Sevv]

Re: Overflood of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Crimson_Armor_Set

there is blue

only pup fails

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Overflood of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations

With the introduction of the two new abjuration sets, the number of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations has been increased.
Previously those jobs had three abjuration sets each to choose from, BST/BRD/DRG had two sets and all the other jobs only had one set to choose from.

Of all the melee jobs, WAR/PLD/DRK already dominated the abjuration selection, yet with the introduction of Einherjar they were given yet another set to a total of four while alot of melee still only have and two jobs, BLU/PUP, do not have a single set.

BLU has access to Wyrmal set.

[Malacite]

Re: Overflood of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations

I'd like to see DRG get it's well-deserved spot among the hauberk sets (and haubergeon) but it ain't gonna happen... SE seems dead-set on not allowing DRG to wear all the heavy armors it used to ; ; (in past games I mean)

[Sevv]

Re: Overflood of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations

i beat ya bbq.


Ok but to the issue at hand, yes their is some jobs who could use a ramp up on abj.

But seriously what abj. can you add that will be good for brd but you can tack on other jobs to? Brd is already good enough without a fix. Yigit Body, Sha'ir and Zenith is very nice on a brd.

Bst again, they get some very very nice abj. heca and adaman is a good set to have access to. Abj. for beast with solo abilites again you lose the ability to make it outside jse.

Drg has heca and its amazing for Ws, we get heca amazing for tp.

Pup is the only job in need of a abj. set, Personally i wouldnt mind seeing them on shura.

[Aeni]

Re: Overflood of WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations

Well ... when you think about it, not very many classes can really use what those 3 can and then vice versa.

You have multitudes of drops for casters and other melees. Notice that those kinds of drops have more than just a couple of classes that can use them.

Some classes can perform at a high level with mediocre gear (i.e., BLMs & BRDs)

Some classes are already innately powerful that adding additional gear upgrades would pose balance issues (i.e., SAMs)

One of my mains is a DRK, so I can understand why SE has done this. DRKs face a dearth of upgrade options and the abjuration pieces needed to create it for them are usually given to other classes that can also make use of it first (priorities within the Linkshell)

Given the multitude of "other" jobs within a guild framework, you can see that there might've been complaints by those players over this.

WARs and PLDs just naturally benefit from this, because they are the "plate" classes or the jobs that can make use of heavy armor (Even if there is no such distinction made within the system with regards to this, it is a commonly accepted understanding) So if any move was made to help out a certain job class, the related parties involved (PLDs/WARs) get the side benefit as bonus.

All IMO of course...

[seq]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

the problem as i see it is that they keep giving DD equip the the jobs that have no problem DDing, neglecting DRG,THF and PUP as if this jobs have special damage formulas that doesn't require attack bonus stats..
you should have noted that WAR have access to gods's gear, which is eastern gear... so heavy armor or not...the development team never cared (hey Ares's set) why should they now?

[Lmnop]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

My thoughts on the new war/pld/drk set is that they're for a more hybrid PLD. Pure DD-wise, they're nothing spectacular. But for a meat tank who wants to contribute to the party damage pool, it's pretty decent or... something. Still though, they made the new abjurations on a power level of the old stuff, which isn't nearly good enough to be considered incredible. Basically, Koenig is becoming quite useless, so they wanted to give PLD something decent.

And Wyrmal is worse than not having any Abj gear whatsoever -- because whenever you complain about it, people will say "nuh uh! you can wear crimson!" which is, of course, a complete joke.

All the same, I'd very much like to see a cursed Jerkin sort of set. Especially when you think of that Feral Jerkin that looks pretty cool but never gets worn... you could make a cursed set look pretty cool (or it could just be AJ in hot pink).

[Sevv]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

Hmm crimson is a joke:




No rng or cor would ever use these, bunch of junk amirite? Macro piece fo dark magic cast nah wouldn't want to uses there.



These would never help on pulling or kiting complete junk.

Yup crimson gear blows!

[Lmnop]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

I stand corrected... the legs are swell.

I'm no ranged combatant, but the hands have alternatives, right? Really, all five pieces are good, but - with the exception of +movement speed - the all have non-cursed alternatives that are at least as good. Probably a lot cheaper, and none compare with Adaman Hauberk.

You were a DRG first. Let's say someone told you that RNG were gimp because they could only wear one set of cursed gear and that you as a DRG were not -- on the basis that you could equip the same set as them AND a rediculous WS set. Would you say their argument was justified? When they got a sweet pair of hand gear out of it while you got umm.... dex/agi+3?

Yes, the fact that BLU can wear Crimson is a joke. (Not that that bothers me, being that they're the only job that can equip homam and nashira. -- both sets being better than Cursed anything 9/10.)

And do I really have to bicker with you in every thread these days, Sev? You know very well that Crimson wasn't the aim of my previous post, nor this thread at all.

[Aeni]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

you should have noted that WAR have access to gods's gear, which is eastern gear... so heavy armor or not...the development team never cared (hey Ares's set) why should they now?

My response to this is ... why not? Remember, warrior's are masters of weapon proficiency as well as armor proficiency. They better damn well be able to equip whatever they feel like! It's in S-E's own job class description.

[Malacite]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

I still would like to see DRG added to the list of 'hauberk' jobs. I'm sick of the whole "they have a pet so we have to town them down" mentality SE seems to carry.

I just want the DRG of old that I loved oh so dearly in FFIV and V... (IV more so, and not just because Kain ruled)

[Vyuru]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

Well, drg does get a good set of endgame gear, Ares, but it is rather hard to obtain, nothing wrong with that though.

And really, Hecatomb is a joke, a bloody joke, especially compared to the stuff that war/drk/sam get.

On the one hand I agree I'd like to see dragoon be able to wear the plate/hauberk line of gear, on the other hand, I look at a melee job with:

No access to what many players consider the best DD gear (Hauberk, RK, etc)
The fewest DD traits
Something else and now I've forgotten it >.>

And I have to admit, they keep up pretty well with the other DD, especially since rdm for instance get to wear all of our exp gear, well most of it.

So for a job that wears combat mage armor we do pretty good.

And actually, instead of gaining access to heavy armor, I think I would favor access to the light sam/nin/mnk line of equipment.

No it's not exactly *SandO'rian approved* but you see a ton of Sandy NPCs wearing it and using drg only lances, so from a storyline aspect I don't see why not. From an equipment aspect, it's lighter than Plate armor, most of it is not as good as the heavy plate armor.

Furthermore alot of it is +att/acc gear, and just what has SE been giving us all this time?

So yeah, I wouldn't mind if the Kenpogi/Kote/Hachiman/Kabuto/Sun-ate and the rest of that line of gear available for drg.

[Tipsy]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

Want some cheese with that whine?


Dragoon cannot wear Haubergeon because it is not purple.

And...

And really, Hecatomb is a joke, a bloody joke, especially compared to the stuff that war/drk/sam get.

Hecatomb a joke? That just might be the most stupid, naive, statement I've ever read.

WAR/DRK/SAM wear Hecatomb, Adaman gear is nothing special.

Shura is nice. Not for DRG. Medieval warriors do not run around in loin cloth.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: why so many WAR/PLD/DRK abjurations?

Want some cheese with that whine?

Before posting stupid shit like this read the posting guidelines.

Dragoon cannot wear Haubergeon because it is not purple.

I'm not sure if this was just a poor attempt at a joke, it's hard to tell taking the rest of your post into account.

Hecatomb a joke? That just might be the most stupid, naive, statement I've ever read.

Again, posting guidelines.

Medieval warriors do not run around in loin cloth.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here seriously. I just hope you're not trying to use RL examples to support equipment decisions in a fantasy MMOG.