Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Corsair has seen a lot of upgrades in terms of melee gear it can use and while this is certainly great and makes the job enjoyable to play in this fashion, COR feels lacking in equipment that a mage support job could benefit from while retaining some strength in their melee role.

There's no shortage of MP gear and RSE helps in places, but there's very little equipment outside of the Wyrmal Abjuration set that grants COR statistics that both help them support allies in a stronger fashion and continue to melee if they choose a mage support job.

Merits for MP and Marksmanship alleviate matters a bit, but this doesn't serve lower level CORs who may wish to use a mage support job early. There are also players uncomfortable with levelling a melee support job to level COR and would prefer to use White Mage as a support job, but MP equipment dimishes their ability to use a gun.

So are there any plans for COR to gain access to support armors or possibly even specialized/exclusive equipment for a stronger support role with a /mage support job?

[Dyvid]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

I'm having a hard time with this one. I understand that some COR want to /whm and that's fine because there is gear for that. You can also eat food to boost either you range attacks or mp. Not trying to bash the post but we do have alot of mp friendly gear, at least as much as Bard do.

That being said I too would like see more COR support related item introduced that deal mainly with Phantom Roll and Quick Draw. Prehaps some items that enhance certain rolls similiar to Bard items that enhance certain songs. Prehaps a hexagun that "enhances Quick Draw".

[Karinya]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

I don't think I understand what you're asking for. You can equip to maximize your ranged accuracy and attack, or to maximize your MP and support abilities, or anywhere in between.

If you want one piece of gear that makes you better at everything... well, there's a reason you're not likely to find that outside of high level EX armors.

You never had to balance CHR vs. +skill vs. MP vs. whatever else you wanted from your gear as a bard? Ranger only does one thing so it's easy to focus everything on that one thing, but for multi-role jobs it isn't (and never has been) that simple.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

Well its arguable we have those, too. Merits to enhance the duration of Phantom Roll are already coming and a job's precense in a PT will HQ its complementry buff, so to speak. Additionally, there's Magic Attack Bonus gear and Food that can up the damage or Quick Draw and plenty of AGI. Gun and Bullet DMG by nature affect QD damage, too.

The Skadi and Denali sets from Slavage and Nyzul highlight melee stats that are nice and Corsair can get the Blood/Crimson set as well, but there's very little beyond Crimson Finger Gauntlets and Greaves that would be beneficial to COR/Mage.

COR does need a lot of the ranged attack gear it has access to, so giving up many of the slots for MP would be detrimental to ranged melee. Again, MP and Marksmanship merits can help a little, but only so much for the high level COR and that's no comfort to the lower level COR who'd like to sub mage.

PUP has a lot of access to melee gear now, BLU pretty much always has. Additionally, they both have access to lots of mage sets. Incidentally, RNG also has access to so mage-ish gear that COR/Mage could most certainly benefit from, such as the Vermillon Cloak.

I've gone through the existing gear time and again and the only real places I can find to give up mild ranged attack or accuracy stats for MP are waist and feet. Crimson Greaves and Finger Gauntlets will give me MP, Ranged Attack/accuracy and AGI, all of which I can benefit from, so that's fine.

But I can't see myself dropping Dusk Trousers for Savage Separates or Corsair's Tricorne/Optical Hat for Opo-Opo Crown. But why use opo crown and eat pamamas when I could eat sushi for ranged accuracy?

I'd like to add to a supporting role why still getting to be a Corsair, if I have to drop all the ranged accuracy gear I have to play an adequate support COR, then I may as well just be a BRD/WHM and get it over with.

I guess I'd just like to see something more in line with Crimson set.

You never had to balance CHR vs. +skill vs. MP vs. whatever else you wanted from your gear as a bard? Ranger only does one thing so it's easy to focus everything on that one thing, but for multi-role jobs it isn't (and never has been) that simple.

Balancing MP with CHR was quite easy with BRD since you pretty much did it since the start of the job, plus it was a pure support role. COR can't do that practically from the start. Balancing gear for RDM or BLU isn't so much of a problem since they have MP natively to draw from.

Before merits COR/WHM has like 150-ish MP to play with, barely enough to Raise. /RDM and /BLU will fetch a little more MP. I'm planning full MP merits which should get me to 230 and get me near 270 with crim hand and feet. Jungle Rope would get me to about 315.

Could I put on Savage Separates and Opo Crown to get to 400? Sure, but not without losing much accuracy. I suppose an astral earring is a possibility, but each QD and ranged attack macro already has Drone, Suppa, Fenrir's or Moldavite earring in it. Same situation with rings.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

PUP has a lot of access to melee gear now

One Salvage set isn't a lot.

[Dyvid]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

Well Bards naturally mp with /whm sucks a well and require alot of mp gear to bring up so they can raise. A naturally Mithra BRD/WHM has mp of 144.

The point I'm trying to make is SE needs to focus on COR main job instead of worry about what it can subjob. NA's may like to play cor/rng alot but the JP love cor/whm and I'm sure they make it work just fine. All jobs have to balance out their gear. Don't forget RDM have to balance MND, INT, and MP gear while Bard have to balance CHR, MP, and Song Enhancing gear. The only difference is with Cor we have nothing to impacted Phantom Roll cause it's all luck and really that is a huge advantage over other jobs.

When I talk about Phantom Roll enhancing gear I'm talking about things like "Enhances the Effect of Chaos Roll" or "Enhances the Effect of Gallant Roll". Stuff that directly buffs Phantom Roll without taking away from being luck based.

Really I think if you replace alot of the R.ACC gear with mp and ate sushi you could still have a fair amount of hit using the gun.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well, I've only done so much with the small MP setup I've had so far. COR/WHM does fine for trigger farming and pop NMs, but I did have accuracy problems with Demis, so gods and HNM would be an apparent problem as well.

I only get to do so much with COR in sky events since my RNG is sometimes needed.

[Guren]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

A lot of people on valefor won't even invite a full support corsair as won't I. Corsair is not ment for full support. Corsairs are 75% DD and 25% support if you play it correctly.

In the end to support gear... No thanks.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

A lot of people on valefor won't even invite a full support corsair as won't I. Corsair is not ment for full support. Corsairs are 75% DD and 25% support if you play it correctly.

In the end to support gear... No thanks.

I agree with you that, at EXP levels, there is absolutely no need for a WHM sub, but 1-30 and at endgame levels, a mage sub can be incredibly practical for use. At 20 COR would only get the first accuracy trait from /RNG, but really doesn't get serious about guns until level 22. And that Accuracy bonus trait isn't felt until archer knives and noct set comes into play.

So, all you've really proven is that Valefor, like most other servers, still has a bit to learn about Corsairs. I don't think we can say COR is "supposed to be X way" until we see the rest of this expansion at the very least.

I mean, if I'm not landing shots with the accuracy gear I do have, then my skills do need to go elsewhere. I've still got Quick Draw to DD with no matter what, which serves its own purposes.

[Karinya]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

It depends on the rest of the party setup, too, as well as the COR's level. A COR 1-2 levels lower than the rest of the party will have a noticeable decline in their damage, but their support abilities will be just as good (unless they're missing some important roll by being lower level, but that's rare).

There's no reason why you can't carry MP gear for Raise that you don't intend to wear all the time. How often do you need to Raise anyway?

It seems to me that the main benefit of COR/WHM is likely to be status cures, which don't cost much MP to start with. If you're using enough MP that you need to sit and it really matters what your max MP is, then your party probably needs more real healers, not a 0 mp /whm (and that would be equally true for a bard).


BLU has access to melee gear and it has access to mage gear. But they're *separate gear*. They have to choose between them, or swap between them. That's exactly the situation COR is in - they can gear for one thing or gear for another thing or mix and match to be somewhere in between. In order to get melee stats and mage stats on the *same* piece of gear, BLU have to collect the Morrigan set. That's why I said that COR shouldn't expect to get everything they want on one piece of gear before endgame sets - because other jobs that care about more than one thing have to make that kind of choice too, before they get their endgame sets (and sometimes even after).

It sounds like you're asking for gear that is all things to all people, without considering the fact that nobody else gets that kind of gear until very high levels (if at all). Sorry, there are tradeoffs in gear selection and that's intentional. It's how the game is designed.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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BLU has access to melee gear and it has access to mage gear. But they're *separate gear*. They have to choose between them, or swap between them. That's exactly the situation COR is in.

BLU gets MP natively. That's very much a different situation, they don't have to choose gear for something they already have, which is why they ritually go for the melee gear. BLU is totally unrestricted in its playstyle.

It sounds like you're asking for gear that is all things to all people, without considering the fact that nobody else gets that kind of gear until very high levels (if at all). Sorry, there are tradeoffs in gear selection and that's intentional. It's how the game is designed.

Play the job and you'll come to find that if you pushed MP gear further than I have, your DD performance takes a sharp nosedive at high level. This is why I can't comprehend why the JP side of the community prefers COR/WHM for EXP over /RNG or even (ugh) /NIN.

Its also why I put off /WHM to endgame-only - there were no good reasons to sub WHM at EXP levels because the gear was never there.

So far, its just waist and feet I can stand to use MP gear on, I can't find a good slot anywhere else. Other COR races are much more boxed-in when it comes to RSE and RSE2s, mithra got lucky there.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

ITT, Omgwtf asks SE to fulfill a personal request that doesn't greatly benefit the game.


Next time: BRP will ask SE to give BLM Great Axe skill! HAY WE HAVE RUNE GREATAXE, WHY NOT.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

LF's nonsensical babbling aside, if we want to talk trade-offs, let's do just that.

COR/WHM would benefit from Ranged accuracy and MP. Currently the options are your standard bone-type rings for ranged accuracy and gold-type for MP. Let's say there's an electrum ring and a scorpion ring. That's 20 HP to MP and then +8 ranged accuracy on an HQ scorpion ring.

Now let's say the made a hybrid ring from those two +5 ranged accuracy and +10 MP.

Too farfetched? I don't think so. Unbalanced? Absolutely not. Good for COR, a RDM that may want to use a bow or a BLU that might want to use their chakarams more? Most certainly.

Those are the kinds of options I'm talking about.

[Karinya]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

Well, it's clearly more powerful than the other two items (did you mean to include their negatives and just forgot?) so I wouldn't be so quick to rule out "unbalanced". If it *wasn't* any better, then there'd be no significant change from actually wearing one electrum and one scorpion (if that's where you want to be on the more racc/ratk vs. more caster stats spectrum).

Overall I think this is a solution in search of a problem. Really, is COR so weak that they can't perform well enough to be desirable in a party with some selection of existing gear? Propose some new gear that'll help out PUP and I'll listen. But we don't need alms for the rich.

Frankly, you can probably go naked and still get into parties because you can still roll. Having a gun *or* /WHM spells (at all, never mind how many you can cast before needing to sit) is a nice plus. Having a gun you can *hit* with even some of the time *and* /WHM spells (even with a low max MP) is 3-invites-before-you-get-out-of-your-mog-house good. When was the last time you saw a COR lfp? Yes, there aren't that many COR total, but the ones there are nearly never wait for invites. Sometimes there are just 0 of some other essential role. But as soon as a party forms, the COR will be invited unless the leader has a personal grudge against him.

As for BLU, while it does have MP of its own, it also goes through MP much, much faster than a cor/anything should ever be doing, which is why +MP and +hMP gear are high priorities. But melee gear is also a high priority. Why oh why can't those poor BLU have a Vermilion SH or an Ohat that's also a hairpin?

[Omni]

Re: Will Corsair see more support-style gear in the future?

Now let's say the made a hybrid ring from those two +5 ranged accuracy and +10 MP.
Too farfetched? I don't think so. Unbalanced? Absolutely not. Good for COR, a RDM that may want to use a bow or a BLU that might want to use their chakarams more? Most certainly.
Those are the kinds of options I'm talking about.

That's sorta like saying, I'm gonna make lighter and stronger football pads but, people who play baseball and soccer can also use them too.

sure, a baseball and soccer play can wear these when they play and i guess they can use them to protect themselves from a line drive to the chest or someone trying to slide tackle from behind but it's pretty obvious that its a self-serving idea.

RDM who uses bow obviously isnt too concerned with MP if he really is counting on using his bow. Which would mean possibly /rng to get use of its WS.

blu doesnt even have throwing skill.

you might as well just come out and say i want cor only support gear but then again, that would mean you'd be pushing for being 'exclusive'.