What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

[Sevv]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

In higher levels, a balanced party setup that skillchains and magic bursts struggles to gain experience points in comparison to a heavy melee party, which can kill enemies much faster and quicker. An
experience point bonus to successful Skillchains could help a more balanced setup of players earn levels and merits. Do you have plans to make skillchain/magic burst parties more attractive?

::lots of commotion between them:: This is very long answer, but the jist of if is, yes we realize that right now some people cannot get parties right now because it is easier for melee parties to kill monsters, and so we are thinking about doing some adjustments. There will be an overhaul when the new jobs come out because we want to make them balanced with the others. We will also balance the existing jobs to work with those. When that balance occurs, there will be some adjustments made, and hopefully that will make some of the other jobs more attractive and alleviate some of the melee parties. By doing these types of adjustments, we will have to make some of the monsters stronger.

And cue the freaking out melee people with the possiblitly of a nerf, tho sadly to say I will only be burning until WotG/Update comes out. I usually was very relaxed on this but I need over 340 merits, I have a life. Burn Pt is about to get alot more popular making these next few months horrid for non-burn pt jobs.

[Lmnop]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

at this point I really just want to nerf burn parties just to piss off Sev.

[Sevv]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

at this point I really just want to nerf burn parties just to piss off Sev.

Woot me 2 lets piss of sev, I got mad when they nerfed ranger can we do that again 2? Lmao. Relax Lmnop. Like with the manaburn and ranger update once it was annouced people will freak out. And burn pt will get more popular the next few months because people don't know if they nerf or just boost i stated facts.

[Lmnop]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

Relax Lmnop.

On the contrary. You're a joker 'til someone wants to joke with you? I just thought it was funny that here's a thread about trying to equalize the jobs and then you come in 4 days later to say "hay, if you guys need me I'll be out burning merits up."

Btw, I don't understand how you can be so opposed to the idea of change while saying:

Burn Pt is about to get alot more popular making these next few months horrid for non-burn pt jobs.

Do you feel this is acceptable? If not, the only conclusion I can come to is that perhaps you just like having jobs to hate and have feel inferior to you. The King needs his peasants.

[Raydeus]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

You are taking Sev's post waaaay too seriously.

/ma "Sarcastic Sonata" <me>

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Glad I can help. Now... where did I left that girl-aid bottle?

[Mhurron]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

Burn parties should be acceptable unless there is something horribly broken about how they do it. RNG was broken, BLM was not, TP burns are not, conventional parties are not, ToAU mobs are.

The only real problem is that SE wanted to break up Manaburns for the reason they excluded other players, but has no problem allowing TP burns that exclude other players.

[Lmnop]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

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do you guys realize that this:

at this point I really just want to nerf burn parties just to piss off Sev.

was a joke? It wasn't 'til my 2nd post 15 minutes later that I found something actually on-topic worth pulling apart.

My only real problem is that there are many DD jobs who've been left out of way too many fads. I want Thieves SATA WS to do like.... 6k damage. Then maybe I'll be happy.






Maybe.

[Mhurron]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

My only real problem is that there are many DD jobs who've been left out of way too many fads. I want Thieves SATA WS to do like.... 6k damage. Then maybe I'll be happy.
Maybe.

You know what I want. I want everyone to have a good option for EXP/Merit parties.

[Sevv]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

On the contrary. You're a joker 'til someone wants to joke with you? I just thought it was funny that here's a thread about trying to equalize the jobs and then you come in 4 days later to say "hay, if you guys need me I'll be out burning merits up."

If you took my last 2 posts serious then i'm sorry lmao

Btw, I don't understand how you can be so opposed to the idea of change while saying:"Burn Pt is about to get alot more popular making these next few months horrid for non-burn pt jobs."
Do you feel this is acceptable?

If this is a serious part then read the part i quoted from wiki Lmnop. Were you around when they announced rng nerfs? Arrowburns spiked hard, due to the coming loss of them. If they are raising mob defense only or nerfing tp burns more, they announced this way too early. People will now tp burn more often for the better exp due to the fact, we don't know what will happen when WotG comes out. Hell they may give WotG mobs more exp per kill with good defense, and leave toa untouched. But from history we know people (atleast those with the right jobs) will tp burn alot more to get the better 30k+/hr who knows good exp when WotG comes out could be 12k/hr.

If not, the only conclusion I can come to is that perhaps you just like having jobs to hate and have feel inferior to you. The King needs his peasants.

Go reread the thread or just my posts, I said they needed a boost w/o nerfing tp burn, also read the part where I invite w/e job because I don't always tp burn, its a game I play for fun. Tho I was not lying when I said I will be burning alot more now. Get my merits capped incase tp burn get horribly gimped. Good thing I'm leveling brd now too.

You are taking Sev's post waaaay too seriously.
/ma "Sarcastic Sonata" <me>
Everyone gains the effect of Sarcasm Detection up.
Glad I can help. Now... where did I left that girl-aid bottle?

Raydeus wins this thread.

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do you guys realize that this:
was a joke?

That would be why i made my comment about hating me 2.

It wasn't 'til my 2nd post 15 minutes later that I found something actually on-topic worth pulling apart.
My only real problem is that there are many DD jobs who've been left out of way too many fads.

I can't think of dd jobs who got left out of every fad but beastmaster, puppetmaster, and summoner if you count them?

I want Thieves SATA WS to do like.... 6k damage. Then maybe I'll be happy.
Maybe.

Cool let my rampage do 9k and its a deal not all warriors just me! Then it will be theif burn and a new fad etc.

/derail

best sata ws I have seen was sata mercy stroke for 3.9k

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

You know what I want. I want everyone to have a good option for EXP/Merit parties.

Just as long as "good option" isn't 6k an hour. When it takes multiple merit points to do anything of substance, 5 hours of meritting just to make one upgrade isn't palatable.

The best exp I've ever gotten with a SC + MB party was somewhere between 4k and 6k an hour. But then, ToAU burn party was the norm before I made it to 75.

What was the typical exp/hour for a pre-ToAU merit pt that actually did SC + MB?

[Sevv]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

Just as long as "good option" isn't 6k an hour. When it takes multiple merit points to do anything of substance, 5 hours of meritting just to make one upgrade isn't palatable.
The best exp I've ever gotten with a SC + MB party was somewhere between 4k and 6k an hour. But then, ToAU burn party was the norm before I made it to 75.
What was the typical exp/hour for a pre-ToAU merit pt that actually did SC + MB?

you can get like 9-10k in sky lol, toau just made it easier for shitty geared players to get good exp/hr.

[Malacite]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

You know what I want. I want everyone to have a good option for EXP/Merit parties.

QFT.

[Mhurron]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

Just as long as "good option" isn't 6k an hour. When it takes multiple merit points to do anything of substance, 5 hours of meritting just to make one upgrade isn't palatable.
The best exp I've ever gotten with a SC + MB party was somewhere between 4k and 6k an hour. But then, ToAU burn party was the norm before I made it to 75.
What was the typical exp/hour for a pre-ToAU merit pt that actually did SC + MB?

And there is the problem with BLM and Tanks. Not that they aren't good, they just aren't needed in ToAU zones because everything is so easy. A tank that can stand a good beating isn't needed when no beating occurs. BLM isn't needed when everything dies so fast you have to move on.

A balance is needed, but not between the jobs, in the mobs. Pre-ToAU mobs are hard and ToAU mobs are far too easy. If everything was made about the same level, Pre-ToAU mobs lowered a little in def and ToAU mobs actually given some def and things would work out. Yes, you might not be getting 15k/hr all the time, but you could make it that 8-9k/hr could be normal everywhere at every level over 55~60.

Make things just a little harder and battles last just a little longer. Suddenly a tank that can hold up is a good choice again. Suddenly you're not killing things faster then they spawn and a BLM isn't holding a roaming party back. Suddenly all the lvl75 camps around the world are good and you don't have to have as much competition for mobs.

TP Burns don't need to be and shouldn't be nerfed. Manaburns shouldn't have been nerfed, but damnit, ToAU mobs should have had some def.

[Sevv]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

Only a point on the tank thing, War/Nin if your not a complete idiot can tank almost anything a Ninja or a Pld can lol.

[Malacite]

Re: What's being done about BLM and Tanks?

The other side of that is, if they're not going to make mobs harder, make the hard ones worth killing.