Random FFXI-related chat

[Armando]

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In fact, what does a higher level mean anyway?

Stats are generally meaningless in RPGs because the power creep is far too extreme; any attempt at rationalizing it will always be insanely inconsistent. E.g. No matter how much you go to the gym, you'll never be able to swing a club 500 times harder than you used to, or take 500 times the clubbings.

At first, it is suggested he is around level 60 because he mostly sticks to ancient magic and -ga II spells. But then he plainly knows tier IV nukes, which would actually put him closer to the original 75 cap. It's just that he only uses them when he uses Chainspell. So he has a questionable AI if nothing else.

I wouldn't put too much stock into whatever level NPCs are in early missions, because their level is by necessity conveniently close to yours and the boss's. If the cap had been 99 at the time of CoP, I'd bet you Prishe would be level 99. I'd go more with the lore or the character's most recent appearance in any storyline. Also, job/level restrictions on spells only matter when you're trying to consume scrolls; SE can cook up anything they like. Vanilla worms are BLM/BLM but can still cast Stoneskin, and pots are RDM/RDM but can still cast Ancient Magic.

[Ketaru]

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...well anyway!

I keep bidding 1 on things, hoping one day to relieve some idiot of some fantastic item. And get a screenshot of shame in the process.

Well there's plenty to be mad at the dev team for, but being mad at the dev team was definitely part of the job description for anyone who played Red Mage

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Well, one thing I really wish they would do is reduce the recast of Spontaneity to something like 3 minutes or even 5 minutes. If it were 3 minutes, it would certainly help to make nuking more relevant. Other spells mostly have acceptable casting times. But nuking is something else entirely. If nothing else, it's nice to take advantage of those skillchains that mostly happen by accident these days.

And making quick work of Umbrils.

[Ketaru]

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Didn't want to create a new thread because it's woefully light on details.

Next version update rarin' to saddle up! (04/11/2013)

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The next version updateis scheulded to come a-ridin' into town at the end of April, hot on the heels of last month's update!

The update will wrangle together further enmity adjustments, reive adjustments, attribute corrections and adjustments associated with weapons skills learned through merit points, cap increases for magic skills, and a bevy of job-related adjustments.

Also coming in guns a-blazin' is all-new battle content which takes aim at players who have completed existing Wildskeeper Reive and Skirmish content.

Hmmm, cap increase for magic skills. Guessing that's referring to Merit Points. And I'm still not done with my Attributes! Guess I better get to it.

It has decent melee stats on it. If it had ranged accuracy instead it'd be a sure thing.

There's actually a pretty good TP set now that no longer requires us to be using old level 75 gear (that Nyzul robe thing with 4 Haste). But I'm guessing, for most people, it is prohibitively difficult to get. Requires some combination of Phos Belt (+1), Phasmida Belt, some boots that drop off an Aht Urhgan VWNM, some body armor that drops off another Aht Urhgan VWNM, or the +1 Haste sword.

[Taskmage]

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How do you deal with umbrils? Grav-nuke? I spend almost all my time on blue mage these days, and while I can beat the Ts toe-to-toe, it's a hard fight. Their tp moves suck.

[Ketaru]

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Sometimes, I Gravi-nuke them yeah. That's the way most mages do it since Umbrils take increased damage from fire. They can also be Paralyzed, Slowed, and Gravity'd.

If I do go toe-to-toe though, I am reliant on Paralyze II to be able to do it and it seems to be very effective on them. Subbing /NIN, I usually throw Fire IVs in whenever I put up a fresh Utsusemi. I don't have to, but it does speed up the kills. Going toe-to-toe is mostly just for Parry skillups, no real other reasons. They have high DEF so most of the damage is actually coming from nukes and Enfire.

Between Paralyze II and Slow II, I can usually ride Utsusemi: Ichi timer. I save Ni for right after they WS.

[Yygdrasil]

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Armando: I need your help to explain Weapon Skill Damage calculations. I'm trying to decide what gear I should consider as my personal BIS for Exentorator and Blade: Hi. Ultimately, I just need to figure out how to prioritize stats.

For each of the WS, the only stat that augments damage is AGI. For Hi it's 60%, for Exen it's 100%. Exen is a multi-hit WS and Hi is single... and yadda yadda.

Currently I'm prioritizing stats along the lines of (+ Critical Hit Damage > AGI > STR > Attack > Critical Hit Rate %). I just need to know how much each of those stats effects the outcome. According to BGwiki, the formula goes like this:


WS Base Damage = Floor ((Weapon Base Damage + fSTR + WSC) x fTP)

and...

WS Damage = WS Base Damage x pDIF


1. WSC = floor ((A x A%) + (B x B%)) x a)

*where A and B are the first and second stats and a is the value associated with character level. In this case a = .85 for jobs level 90-99.

2. fTP for Exen = 1.0 and Blade: Hi = 4.0

3. Assume for the sake of argument that the pDIF on both jobs ~ at least 1.25... considering most things proc as DC+ wherever I go and almost always check as Low Defense.

4. For the sake of making the calculation easier for me to understand, I approximate my average fSTR to be around 5.

5. Let's say that my AGI is 250... for giggles.... because I have no idea what it is until I log on.

So... with those numbers in mind... am I doing this right?:

Blade: Hi WS Base Damage = (52 + 5) + (250 x .6) x 4 = 828

Blade: Hi WS Damage = 1228 x 1.25 = 1035

[Mezlo]

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So... with those numbers in mind... am I doing this right?

My guess is no.

/troll
/waits for Armando

[Yellow Mage]

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He makes a lot of assumptions, but apart from some apparent typos, his math is sound. For Blade: Hi WS Base Damage, the parentheses are arranged as (52 + 5 + (250 * .6)) * 4, but it does equal 828. For the WS damage, I assume you meant "828" instead of "1228," because otherwise it very much does not equal 1035.

Something you did forget though was alpha, that little "a" term that states that all stat mods are at 85% potency at level 99. So, in the case of Blade: Hi, the (250 * .6) term should really be (250 * .6 * .85).

[Squiggs]

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Also, Exenterator is an attack starved WS. If you have enough attack on your piece of gear, it will beat things with a lot of AGI. i.e. Justiciar's Torque (STR +4, attack +15) beats just about everything (new Adoulin gear not included because I haven't looked through it all) or STR/attack Thokcha over AGI/evasion Thokcha.

[Yygdrasil]

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So load up on attack for exent. Got it.

[Ketaru]

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Finding out there is a better way to utilize your current gear. Wasn't sure to put this here or in Pet Peeves, because it's kind of both. On the one hand, you think to yourself, "Damnit, I could've been doing it better all this time, and I had the tools to do it already on hand." On the other hand, that feeling when you see it and you go, "Ah ha!" Even if all it did was open up 1 more inventory space.

[Yygdrasil]

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Shadow Gorget: Get

About damn time too... even if all it is is another 0.1 fTP. Every little bit helps!

[Squiggs]

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What weapon skill are you using it for?

[Yygdrasil]

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Hi

[Yellow Mage]

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Hi, Yyg! \^_^