Has Tanaka Finally Lost His Mind?

[Malacite]

[dev1065] Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapon Upgrades


Yeah so tl;dr - The 99 trials, much to the utter dismay and protest of pretty much everyone, are complete bullshit.

500~1000 ADL/PW KILLS?! GTFO SE.


Why even bother with the stage 2, if you can even get that far? Afterglow is garbage, and the glowing effect for equipping the weapon is neat but yeah, not really worh the effort in the slightest. Does SE even realize how much time it takes to put together a PW set, even with the new 100% T4 ZMN drops?

Tanaka is freaking batshit and they should just put him down already. Glad I gave up XI for XIV now, at least Yoshi P has some semblance of competency & cooperation with the community I mean good LORD...

[Raydeus]

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[Squiggs]

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•Stage 1
Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.
*This content is not yet available on the test server.
　
•Step 2
Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage.
*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

Granted, I don't own any of these weapons, but I don't see a problem with this. It allows the majority of players to upgrade their level 95 version relic/mythic/empy to a 99, and still have something there for the e-peen people to show off with their super-upgraded 99.

[Malacite]

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You don't see a problem with needing 1000 drops from Pandimonium Warden or Arch Dynamis Lord?! Or 2000 voidrifts? (or w/e the hell it's called)...

That's not explicitly outlined in that particular thread, but it has been confirmed on the official forums and BG, and people are rightly going apeshit at Tanaka over it.

[Squiggs]

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First, is that a number from the Test Server? or have the Devs announced that yet? You say its been confirmed, so I'm assuming the devs posted it there. Second, no, I don't see a problem with it. It goes back to putting in the work for the BEST FUCKING WEAPON AVAILABLE that was lost when Aby came out. But, it also gives you the opportunity, should you not have the drive to put in countless hours of work, to get the SECOND BEST FUCKING WEAPON AVAILABLE. We are at cap now (you know, unless they change their mind again), they have to put something in there to keep people grinding. Does it sound absurd to me? Yes. Does that mean I have a problem with it? No. Does that make sense? I dunno, it sounded right.

tl;dr version - It's a high number but I don't have a problem with it because there is another option available.

[Janay]

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I play too casual to be concerned about this now. My play time went from me playing 5+ hours daily to a about ~3 hours every other day to playing whenever I feel like getting on (once or twice a week, if that many).

[cidbahamut]

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First, is that a number from the Test Server? or have the Devs announced that yet? You say its been confirmed, so I'm assuming the devs posted it there. Second, no, I don't see a problem with it. It goes back to putting in the work for the BEST FUCKING WEAPON AVAILABLE that was lost when Aby came out. But, it also gives you the opportunity, should you not have the drive to put in countless hours of work, to get the SECOND BEST FUCKING WEAPON AVAILABLE. We are at cap now (you know, unless they change their mind again), they have to put something in there to keep people grinding. Does it sound absurd to me? Yes. Does that mean I have a problem with it? No. Does that make sense? I dunno, it sounded right.

tl;dr version - It's a high number but I don't have a problem with it because there is another option available.

I'm pretty sure the time to build enough pop sets for Pandemonium Warden was mathed out to literally be measured in years. For a single trial. On a weapon that already took a long ass time to build.

[Squiggs]

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Okay, so it's been counted, doesn't change what I was saying though.

[Romyro]

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You don't see a problem with needing 1000 drops from Pandimonium Warden or Arch Dynamis Lord?! Or 2000 voidrifts? (or w/e the hell it's called)...

That's not explicitly outlined in that particular thread, but it has been confirmed on the official forums and BG, and people are rightly going apeshit at Tanaka over it.

I actually agree with Squiggs here. I don’t see this as a problem for the STAGE 2 weapon. If it’s going to be the best weapon in it’s class (as it should be) then it should be extremely uncommon and only the select few crazy people should have them.

Stage 1 99 weapons look like they will still be available to the casual player (with enough time and/or gil).

While I’m a little nervous of what the exact trial will be…I don’t think it will be out of my reach. i think there's a lot of 'over reacting' on BG about it.

[Raydeus]

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Come on, how many years would that take? And here I thought the days of Relic lulz were behind us.

Guess Tanaka-kun did come back to XI after all, didn't he? Because the old "new team" knew better than that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Oh come on now, you can't tell me this sort of insane grind wasn't expected for the new ultimate weapons of the game (or any FF game for that matter).

They're supposed to be rare among players. If they were common and easy to get, they would not be rare.

You think its crap because they're overpowered weapons and you want them, but they want you to want the overpowered weapons and there are people crazy enough to work for them.

[Raydeus]

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I seriously don't want them, at all.

My point is that if the numbers are right it can take more than 5 years to get these upgrades. That's not just crazy, that's batshit Tanaka insane.

And that's for a single upgrade and having your entire LS working for you all that time. It isn't just one crazy individual's endeavor.

[cidbahamut]

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Pretty much what Raydeus said. There's grinding for the best gear, and then there's bullshit that's simply irresponsible but will be accepted because the playerbase has stockholm syndrome and doesn't know any better. This is not good game design and it should be discouraged.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Looking back I don't think relics were only ever made exclusively made for the best of the best, most dedicated player committed to being good. They were also created to flag the potential cutthroat scum and backstabbing drama queens. There certainly seemed to be a strong positive correlation between people being banned and being relic holders, particularly where the Salvage bans were concerned.

If you want something near-ultimate-but-attainable, I'd wait for the next batch of Mythic weapons.

If you seriously have five more years to blow on FFXI, I have to question your priorities as a human being. These weren't made to be wanted by normal people, just "special" ones.

[Malacite]

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I'm pretty sure the time to build enough pop sets for Pandemonium Warden was mathed out to literally be measured in years. For a single trial. On a weapon that already took a long ass time to build.

4 years average, according to BG to finish a 99 Mythic. Squiggs has to be a masochist.


The other baffling thing is the complete reversal of Empyreans & Relics - The 99 Empyreans are terribly underwhelming compared to even 99 Mythics. +40 attack/acc (depening on 1H or 2H), Tier V extra effect, a whopping +40% WS damage and they're increasing the proc rate of the super crits...

All this on top of the recent nerfing to WAR & Ukko's/VS. WTF SE? Well, so much for Ukonvasara being #1, Bravura & Spharai are back in the spotlight. Not to mention Spharai has a good +10 base damage over verethragna (possibly because PUP can also use vere but that's a shit excuse).

All this demonstrates to me, is just how dated Tanaka is in his thinking and the dev teams renewed stubborness to listen to the playerbase. People on the forums are already up in arms over how the devs have pretty much gone back to the old standard of "we're right, take it or leave it". Contrast this with Yoshi P who's done a fantastic job turning around Tanaka's golden turd, listens to the forum goers, and continues to deliver better & better updates to XIV.


Screw 99, I am never touching XI again until they sack Tanaka. Abyssea gave a glimmer of hope, providing challenging (at least at first) but rewarding content. Silly me for thinking that trend would continue with future content.