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  • #16
    Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

    Lol Cid. Be nice. I've had experience with these mage jobs and this is how it went.


    WHM - I enjoyed it, didn't die at all from levels 1-10. Currently 12 WHM : )

    BLU - Died learning a lot of the skills, which meant frustration and aggrevation early on before trying to learn the job, at about level 50 I was getting irritated at the amount of time having spent trying to learn lower tier skills such as refueling. At level 60+ I found learning lower level 40+ spells was pointless and spent three days trying to learn Bad Breath, only to give up out of being impatient with the mob. I only got about two pieces of the AF which was the weapon and the feet.

    BLM - Died trying to cast simple stone spells on some mobs, found it irritating to when I ran out of Nuke MP I was left defenseless and forced to fight with a staff, only to result in failure and die early on from level's 1-10. At around level 50 when I got my first AE spell I found it rather dissapointing it took so long to cast one nuke spell. So I gave up at 50, not pursuing the job any further.

    RDM - This was an okay job for me, I never explored it past ten, I can't really say much about it other than that I can't stand having to gear it and rely on base sword skill, turning it into a bootleg Warrior Job. Didn't have much trouble leveling, just the idea of having to do the AF is what threw the big red X over it that said, "No thank you."

    SMN - I didn't like the idea of having to first off, get fame to get a summon, I'd rather just fight my summon. Or better yet, like in 10 do a Cloister of Trials and do a puzzle before I do the fight, I enjoyed doing those geographical challenges. Took me awhile to get some of them, but they were fun. But overall getting Fame to do this is annoying.

    SCH - I loved this job for a little while, but I found it to be a bit cumbersome to have to manage both black magic and white magic, considering you have to flip flop roles to make sure your both healing and offensive, mixture of the two was alright. But still not a job I'd take up. I took it up to about 32 and then stopped. v.v;
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    • #17
      Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

      Originally posted by Mezlo View Post
      orly?

      rdm + joyeuse + EN spells = better than whm for melee in my book
      White Mage with sub NIN with Kraken Club + any decent DPS club + Hexastrike >> anything a RDM can bring to the table, in any configuration. Because KClubs are THAT good, and Hexastrike is THAT good.

      That said, your chance of finding a Kraken Club in your possession for any length of time are pretty low.

      ---

      As for mage jobs, why assume you "need" a mage sub? The only melee jobs that ever really use mage subs are Beastmaster and Dragoon (when playing solo).

      White Mage, is, as mentioned, a job you're seriously going to regret leveling if you bring it to end-game levels and don't enjoy the gameplay. Don't do that if you hate playing healer - because if you're not excited by keeping everyone alive, you won't be any good at it.

      My recommendation? Scholar. It's the only mage sub where you can reasonably cast all of the spells as if you were the same level as your main due to the way Dark Arts and Light Arts operates.


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      • #18
        Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

        LOL @ KC reference....

        I made myself a BLM main. I loved nuking shit. Plus you were in an elite group that could team up with other blm's and kill anything. That cartoon about throwing blm's at anything because it works, well, it aint lieing, lol...
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        • #19
          Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

          WHM actually outpaces RDM even without a K-club last I heard.
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          • #20
            Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

            Originally posted by cidbahamut View Post
            WHM actually outpaces RDM even without a K-club last I heard.
            That's also true, if it weren't for the existence of Joyeuse. From a sheer DPS standpoint, WHM does outdamage RBM over time as far as weaponry and weapon skill levels go. Joyeuse's extra attacks skew the TP gain heavily in favor of RDM, however (unless you counterbalance on WHM with a Kraken Club, or alternately with an Octave Club, which does tilt the advantage back in the favor of WHM even if you don't do something weird like level sync to 88 or 96).


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            • #21
              Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

              Yep, RDM's strength has always been on survivability, not dmg. Heck even freaking BRDs hit harder than us. orz
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              • #22
                Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                Again, with my second-hand "I read it on a forum somewhere in the last 12 months" info, Joyeuse actually hasn't aged well at all. The 35 damage rating really holds it back even with the extra TP when compared to some of the new magian swords. I think it got hammered out on Alla and FFXIAH a few times, but Magian STR swords trounce Joyeuse by a reasonably distinct margin for overall damage output.
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                • #23
                  Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                  I would logically expect the Magian multi-attack Swords to outperform Joyeuse, as well.
                  Originally posted by Armando
                  No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                  Originally posted by Armando
                  Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                  Originally posted by Taskmage
                  GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                  REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                  GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                  THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                  Originally posted by Taskmage
                  However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
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                  • #24
                    Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                    Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                    I would logically expect the Magian multi-attack Swords to outperform Joyeuse, as well.
                    I thought the last tier of Magian 1h swords were still locked at 99 or were mythic weapon upgrades? If they're not, the "occasionally attacks 2-3/2-4 times" weapons would definitely outperform Joyeuse (though Joyeuse is still way easier to acquire).

                    In terms of raw damage, I'm not speaking of Joyeuse or any other weapon as the primary weapon; I'm speaking of using dual wielding as /NIN, using the extra attacks to build TP and then dumping the TP into weapon skills with a stronger main weapon.


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                    • #25
                      Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                      Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                      I thought the last tier of Magian 1h swords were still locked at 99 or were mythic weapon upgrades?
                      Er . . . mind explaining what you mean by "locked?" Because last time that I checked, it's only the Relic/Mythic/Empyrean 99 upgrade trials that aren't available or even implemented on the test server yet.
                      Originally posted by Armando
                      No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                      Originally posted by Armando
                      Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                      Originally posted by Taskmage
                      GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                      REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                      GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                      THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                      Originally posted by Taskmage
                      However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                      Matthew 16:15

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                      • #26
                        Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                        Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                        I thought the last tier of Magian 1h swords were still locked at 99 or were mythic weapon upgrades? If they're not, the "occasionally attacks 2-3/2-4 times" weapons would definitely outperform Joyeuse (though Joyeuse is still way easier to acquire).

                        In terms of raw damage, I'm not speaking of Joyeuse or any other weapon as the primary weapon; I'm speaking of using dual wielding as /NIN, using the extra attacks to build TP and then dumping the TP into weapon skills with a stronger main weapon.


                        Icemage
                        the 2-4 times sword was mathed to be a little bit behind Joyeuse due to the proc rate being abysmal compare to Joyeuse's (at the level 90 cap). Pretty sure that was on Alla and rdmcandie was the one mathing it. Lemme see if I can dig that thread up.
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                        • #27
                          Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                          Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                          Er . . . mind explaining what you mean by "locked?" Because last time that I checked, it's only the Relic/Mythic/Empyrean 99 upgrade trials that aren't available or even implemented on the test server yet.
                          Isn't Khagda the final Magian 1h Sword path that gets multi-attacks? It's a level 99 weapon. Other than that and Excalibur (yeah, good luck getting one of these), what else can get multi-attacks in the Magian Sword tree?


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                          • #28
                            Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                            Eh, looks like I was mistaken. It's the age old "shit is situational" conclusion with Joyeuse coming out on top in most situations: Multi-hit Magian Swords..which to choose? :: Final Fantasy XI :: ZAM
                            That was back at 90 though, so I have no idea how things are holding up now.
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                            • #29
                              Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                              Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                              Isn't Khagda the final Magian 1h Sword path that gets multi-attacks? It's a level 99 weapon. Other than that and Excalibur (yeah, good luck getting one of these), what else can get multi-attacks in the Magian Sword tree?


                              Icemage
                              So, by "locked," you mean "has the 'Rare' tag"?

                              Also, Excalibur can get multi-attacks? Sweet! Unless you meant Murgleis/Burtgang/Tizona with 300% Aftermath . . .
                              Originally posted by Armando
                              No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                              Originally posted by Armando
                              Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                              Originally posted by Taskmage
                              GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                              REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                              GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                              THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                              Originally posted by Taskmage
                              However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                              Matthew 16:15

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                              • #30
                                Re: White Mage Questions - Can I Get A Medic?!

                                Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                                So, by "locked," you mean "has the 'Rare' tag"?
                                Actually, I wasn't aware S-E had already increased the level cap to 99 (boy was that quick). As such, assuming the trials work and don't take more than five eternities, yes, the extra attack 1h swords "should" outperform Joyeuse unless the proc rate is substantially lower than 50%. Seems like a lot of work though - some of those trials are pretty loltastic.

                                At any rate, these aren't exactly items you're going to have just lying around. Certainly, it's not something one should consider when leveling any mage job to end-game levels, because (as we all know), the moment you have a mage job at endgame, people are going to ask you to bring it, whether you like playing it or not.

                                Also, Excalibur can get multi-attacks? Sweet! Unless you meant Murgleis/Burtgang/Tizona with 300% Aftermath . . .
                                Nah, that's me making a mistake and reading "Additional effect" as "Additional attack" on the final form text of Excalibur. :/


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