NMs ???

[Demon6324236]

I find it weird in abyssea we have 3 ??? for large, powerful NMs that take anywhere between 2-4 key items to pop, yet smaller NMs, that are even needed for the large ones, have only 1 ???.
I would assume that the reason for the large NMs having 3 is to prevent people from over camping the NMs and making it unable to be fought by other partys, this makes sense... However! There is a problem in this idea. We only have 1 for the NMs that we must kill to fight these larger ones, and at that, some are on a respawn timer much longer than the time it takes to kill a NM...

For example, Sobek, anyone who has ever fought this buggy buggard knows what Im talking about when I say Guku, is impossible to get ahold of, alot of times I don't even see it pop up on my screen before its claimed to a party and being killed... This is a pain, why is there only one of it? There are 3 times in 1 minute that Sobek can be spawned, and in that 3 times, 1 minute after a Sobek dies, you may use the ??? again. This is helpful... if you have more pops saved up, but not for other partys. It takes 10 minutes for Guku to become available again, so that he can be killed, and his KI obtained, however in this time it is easy to kill Sobek, and reap his rewards so that you can go after Guku again for the KI.

Another example is Amarok and Orthrus, Amarok drops seals, some hard seals to get even, PLD body, DNC body, these are highly sought after at times, and yet, the fact he is the sole source of the key item that lets you spawn Orthrus, makes him hard to find open and able to be farmed for his seals. I have even been insulted in a party I made to farm seals from him. I was told I was wasting the items and everyones time by not going after Orthrus as well for his trial items. I admit, its nice to go after an extra one at the same time, but still, its no waste to people needing the seals, and there is no reason that he should be camped so much, it makes the only way to kill him and get seals, to make a commitment to a party for killing Orthrus, and ask them to let you have the seals.

I guess my point of making this is to see other peoples opinion on if they think this is a lil awkward, and kinda voice my opinion that maybe Square should make 3 ??? for the other NMs too, it seems more fair to me, but others might disagree... but thats what forums are for right

[Hayde]

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I find it weird in abyssea we have 3 ??? for large, powerful NMs that take anywhere between 2-4 key items to pop, yet smaller NMs, that are even needed for the large ones, have only 1 ???.
I would assume that the reason for the large NMs having 3 is to prevent people from over camping the NMs and making it unable to be fought by other partys, this makes sense... However! There is a problem in this idea. We only have 1 for the NMs that we must kill to fight these larger ones, and at that, some are on a respawn timer much longer than the time it takes to kill a NM...

For example, Sobek, anyone who has ever fought this buggy buggard knows what Im talking about when I say Guku, is impossible to get ahold of, alot of times I don't even see it pop up on my screen before its claimed to a party and being killed... This is a pain, why is there only one of it? There are 3 times in 1 minute that Sobek can be spawned, and in that 3 times, 1 minute after a Sobek dies, you may use the ??? again. This is helpful... if you have more pops saved up, but not for other partys. It takes 10 minutes for Guku to become available again, so that he can be killed, and his KI obtained, however in this time it is easy to kill Sobek, and reap his rewards so that you can go after Guku again for the KI.

Another example is Amarok and Orthrus, Amarok drops seals, some hard seals to get even, PLD body, DNC body, these are highly sought after at times, and yet, the fact he is the sole source of the key item that lets you spawn Orthrus, makes him hard to find open and able to be farmed for his seals. I have even been insulted in a party I made to farm seals from him. I was told I was wasting the items and everyones time by not going after Orthrus as well for his trial items. I admit, its nice to go after an extra one at the same time, but still, its no waste to people needing the seals, and there is no reason that he should be camped so much, it makes the only way to kill him and get seals, to make a commitment to a party for killing Orthrus, and ask them to let you have the seals.

I guess my point of making this is to see other peoples opinion on if they think this is a lil awkward, and kinda voice my opinion that maybe Square should make 3 ??? for the other NMs too, it seems more fair to me, but others might disagree... but thats what forums are for right

True that...except you probably won't garner much attention from Square on these forums .

[Demon6324236]

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Yeah, any ideas where one is they might pay attention? Cause I admit, Im to lazy to look right now lol.

[Murphie]

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Person who claims to be too lazy is submitting a complaint about how NMs require too much effort...

Also, if only FFXI had official forums.

[Demon6324236]

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Not that they require to much effort, simply that it makes little sense that they would make it possible to spawn multiple NMs when its not really possible to get the KIs as fast as you would need to for spawning that many.

Basicly say I go to kill Orthrus, I have 3 ??? for him, which is nice, I can pop one if one is already out for another party, but getting the KI is diffrent, for me to use 1 of the 3, I have to use the 1 and only 1 for Amarok, so I am limited to 1 spawn, for the 1 item, for the NM with 3 ???, it just makes little sense to me in that fact. I by no means mean to say I want SE to hand me an Emp weapon an a plater, nor my seals, +2 items, or anything of the sort, I just wish it made more sense how they have more ??? for the NM that is harder to spawn, than the ones needed to spawn it in the first place.

[Murphie]

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You do know you can find many KIs in a chest, right? So if you aren't trying to get Emp items, you would be better off getting pops like that. I'll admit that having Amarok have one pop makes little sense, as anyone trying to pop multiple Orthrus' would prefer to not wait in line for the earlier NM, but otherwise, the system isn't that confusing.

[Demon6324236]

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Yeah but 2 things with them coming from chests, 1st is that it would take a very~ long time, most people would fight over the 1 ??? I would think rather than farm chests, cause as I have seen from FCs my ls has done, its like 2-3 hours for each tongue... 2nd is still the problem with seals, which would be more of a problem anyways, yes there might be quests, but they take long enough time it makes it arguably not worth it, for instance, my RDM leg seals, I ended up doing the Galkan sausage quest for 4 hours one morning for the 8 seals I needed, it was annoying, but I did it for lack of shouts and seal party experience at the time. But I'm just saying that I think it would be nice if they did make more ??? for the smaller NMs, either way I asked mainly to see peoples opinion on the idea, I admit, it would just mean that the areas would be as crowded as ever, just more ??? to fight over, but at least a better chance of you getting one I figure. That and no real ability to multi-brew 3 Amaroks at a time cause people want red to get the KI for sure... But all in all, I'm going to go away now... Just an idea I had.

[Squiggs]

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I ended up doing the Galkan sausage quest for 4 hours one morning for the 8 seals I needed

My own personal experience is that you got lucky that it only took that long.

[Romyro]

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Another example is Amarok and Orthrus, Amarok drops seals, some hard seals to get even, PLD body, DNC body, these are highly sought after at times, and yet, the fact he is the sole source of the key item that lets you spawn Orthrus, makes him hard to find open and able to be farmed for his seals. I have even been insulted in a party I made to farm seals from him. I was told I was wasting the items and everyones time by not going after Orthrus as well for his trial items. I admit, its nice to go after an extra one at the same time, but still, its no waste to people needing the seals, and there is no reason that he should be camped so much, it makes the only way to kill him and get seals, to make a commitment to a party for killing Orthrus, and ask them to let you have the seals.

…why not kill Ironclad Sundererer. Only takes 2 items to pop and is a hell of a lot easier to kill (imo). Drops both Pld/Dnc body seals too. I’ve solo’d on Bst and duo’d as blm/blm. Kite him to make yellow proc-ing easier.

Not to mention very few people kill him for his KI these days

[Squiggs]

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Not to mention very few people kill him for his KI these days

I've noticed that, I'm going to have to kill for KI soon to pop Raja.

[Romyro]

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Also…kinda skimmed through it but I saw something about your LS FCing and not getting many items.

To me…sounds like you’re not doing it right. To get pop items in gold chests, build about 60 amber lights then FC families that do not give ruby. Or AE families that do not give amber. I suggest getting just enough azure for TEs, 60 ish amber and no ruby. You’ll see more pop items for sure.

I alway get a Jalacus wings/M. Skulls within 1 hour of farming. Those are items used to pop Alfard which is somewhat similar.
This always worked for me when I was farming Sys fragments as well. Got tons of frags and snow god cores. All solo mind you.

[Demon6324236]

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Also…kinda skimmed through it but I saw something about your LS FCing and not getting many items.

To me…sounds like you’re not doing it right. To get pop items in gold chests, build about 60 amber lights then FC families that do not give ruby. Or AE families that do not give amber. I suggest getting just enough azure for TEs, 60 ish amber and no ruby. You’ll see more pop items for sure.

I alway get a Jalacus wings/M. Skulls within 1 hour of farming. Those are items used to pop Alfard which is somewhat similar.
This always worked for me when I was farming Sys fragments as well. Got tons of frags and snow god cores. All solo mind you.

Mostly right, but see your talking normal pops like the ones I can buy or sell on the AH, Im talking KIs that I HAVE to get from NMs or che

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…why not kill Ironclad Sundererer. Only takes 2 items to pop and is a hell of a lot easier to kill (imo). Drops both Pld/Dnc body seals too. I’ve solo’d on Bst and duo’d as blm/blm. Kite him to make yellow proc-ing easier.

Not to mention very few people kill him for his KI these days

I admit it is probably easier in a way, like for instance killing it, but you have to admit like all Ironclads, its a total pain to proc the things, its also why I have kinda avoided fighting the one in altepa for DRK body. But to each their own on seal NMs ^_^;

[Murphie]

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You can get KIs from large gold chests. Not every single one, but a fair number of them.

[Romyro]

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I admit it is probably easier in a way, like for instance killing it, but you have to admit like all Ironclads, its a total pain to proc the things, its also why I have kinda avoided fighting the one in altepa for DRK body. But to each their own on seal NMs ^_^;

Hence why i said kiting. they arent swinging when they are chasing someone. It's how i got all my Bst body seals. It's a lot easier to land spells that way, or running past a DD to WS proc.

And if your looking for Drk seals...try Teugghia. But not sure if thats tougher. It wasnt too bad for a Bst duo.

Mostly right, but see your talking normal pops like the ones I can buy or sell on the AH, Im talking KIs that I HAVE to get from NMs or che

In this case then you cap Amber and Azure. IMO theres no reason to ever cap ruby unless your xp/cruor farming. I've been Bukhis farming lately and if we go with a group of 5 or more, we Chest farm the bats.