Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

One thing I don't miss about RDM is having to recast about 12 buffs every few minutes or so.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

The only way it could have possibly been awesome for everyone would be if it stacked with Accession. I don't think that there's any possible way to deny that.

That's not a problem with the spell specifically so much as it is a problem with SE's refusal to make buffs AoE for Red Mage. An issue which ought to be addressed alongside frustratingly short duration times.

All the complaining about buff cycles could be eliminated if stuff was party-AoE and lasted 15 minutes as a base duration. No one whines about applying Protect and Shell because you can cast it, forget it and get on with your business. They need to retool most of the buffs in the game to be more like that.

[Raydeus]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

<_<;

[Taskmage]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Ah ok. So there's no indication/confirmation so far about Temper replacing Enspells, right?

So far as I know only cynical speculation on behalf of the players. Not to say it's necessarily wrong, either ...

[Raydeus]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

There's a chance that comet will be AoE with friendly fire, but I don't see any reason to assume that's the case.

Ah ok. So there's no indication/confirmation so far about Temper replacing Enspells, right?

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Lago, not sure if you are logging on again, but I was going to do SE Temenos in an hour if you want to come.

edit: I mean SE Apollyon. I can solo Temenos zones.

[Taskmage]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Where did you write your post, TM?

Official forum. Signed in for the first time today to get the Crysta thing sorted out and got sucked in.

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Wait, so there's a chance that Temper thing will not stack with Enspells and will actually replace them?

There's a chance that comet will be AoE with friendly fire, but I don't see any reason to assume that's the case.

[Raydeus]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Wait, so there's a chance that Temper thing will not stack with Enspells and will actually replace them?

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Where did you write your post, TM?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

This is what gets me. It could have been awesome for everyone.

The only way it could have possibly been awesome for everyone would be if it stacked with Accession. I don't think that there's any possible way to deny that.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

Like Addle was a huge deal to begin with. But in case you didn't notice, they gave it to BRD, too:



/fuel "Fire"

Actually it's ok that it's going to Bard as well since it will hopefully follow the precedent set by Elegy and stack with Red Mage's version for extra debuffing goodness.

I'm not sure why you're so fired up about these changes. 1.) They don't make RDM in any way useful or more powerful with the way the game is played

This is what gets me. It could have been awesome for everyone. As it stands it will only be awesome for some folks and not applicable in a good portion of the game's content.

[Taskmage]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

I wrote a good post, and I am an attention whorse, so I'm copy-pasting it here.

I have to agree with Shiyo on one thing, which is that I had a lot of fun as a backline mage in pre-ToAU days. Keeping up with the interlocking cycles of refresh and haste was like conducting an orchestra, magic bursting on skillchains (lol remember skillchains?) was a fun little skill test every fight or two when I could slip it in between cures and buffs, and my enfeebles actually landed and felt useful. I loved the way my job changed depending on the party composition, especially on the rare occasions I was backing up a whm and got to cast more offensively.

I also had a lot of fun in the pre-50 range, before staves gave us such a strong incentive to abandon swords and dual buff cycles ate up all the time we could have spent swinging. I never had illusions of being a "top tier" DD and it didn't matter. I wasn't just meleeing, I was debuffing and throwing out backup cures after TP moves, and taking turns opening Fusion for the mnk that just got Raging Fists. I loved feeling like I was contributing to the party a little bit in many different ways.

I think both styles are perfectly reasonable ways to want rdm to play. They both embody what I always felt was the strength and spirit of the rdm job, which was being able to fill the gaps in any party setup; to step into any niche and perform—maybe not as well as a specialist but well enough to get the job done. If I had my wish for rdm we'd go back to those days, when in my opinion rdm was most fun and balanced. To be honest, though, I can't imagine what SE could do to the job to put the genie back in the bottle. It's not just rdm that's changed, it's how we build parties, the way we level, the types of mobs we choose to fight. Forgive the drama, but I worry that the Vana'diel that my ideal red mage could exist in might be long gone. I just keep waiting for SE to pull a rabbit out of a hat somehow, and I keep being disappointed.

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

He's never even gotten to level 50.

Unless that happened recently and he just didn't announce it. Regardless, while YM is a nice guy, and often has interesting takes on things, his endgame opinions are all theoretical.

[Ketaru]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

I'll have it in a few months. It's something to look forward to.

...Ok, I think maybe I've been out of the loop about this long enough. What's your deal? By all indications, it seems like you've played Final Fantasy XI for a good while now, but every so often a comment comes up that suggests you've never been max level before.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Job Adjustments! (8/19/2011)

I'll have it in a few months. It's something to look forward to.