Game Balance and User Frustration

[cidbahamut]

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I don't think they did anything to Flash, but then Flash only ever had VE going for it so it was more about spiking hate rather than holding it. Blind on the other hand built up...I want to say it was about 300 CE and 600 VE? Those numbers might be a bit off and the enmity table has been edited so I don't know for sure what the old values are now.

[Armando]

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Wait a sec, when did they nerf Flash? I knew about the Bind/Blind/Sleep nerf, it just slipped my mind.
EDIT:

Blind on the other hand built up...I want to say it was about 300 CE and 600 VE?

Blind was 640 VE and no CE, which is about half a Flash. Sleep was the one with CE. What Blind had going for it was a really short recast timer.

[Mhurron]

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They did this with Flash too.

[citation needed] because, no, nothing was done to Flash.

[Yygdrasil]

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You say that WoW was less frustrating... but yet you complain about time-consuming world-map travel. Explain your thought process please.

[Taskmage]

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Flash only ever had VE going for it

Flash was (is?) 180 CE 1280 VE, making it pld's only CE tool other than cures.

Blind, Sleep and Sleep II are 1 CE/300 VE now if Kaeko's enmity table is up to date.

[Bigfish]

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You say that WoW was less frustrating... but yet you complain about time-consuming world-map travel. Explain your thought process please.

WoW's world travel has become a joke. The world is practically just a lobby server you hang out in until your BG/dungeon/whatever pops and then you're transported instantly. That's actually one of the reasons I came back to FFXI, even after all these years and so many ports added, it still feels like a world instead of a pretty chat room.

[Firewind]

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[citation needed] because, no, nothing was done to Flash.

Going by what Cid and Armando said, it might have just been me noticing the VE decay. If so then my mistake.

[Ketaru]

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I think the problem there is that the majority of Red Mages are confused about what class they are actually playing. And by that I of course mean 99% of RDM melee players are pants-on-head-retarded and refuse to accept the reality that the iconic image of Red Mage does not match the Red Mage as it has evolved in FFXI, nor will it ever.

You already know what I've said on the Official Forum, but just to reiterate it here, I really do believe SE is not being honest about what their intentions for the job are. And even if the evidence is right there in more substantive things like the best gear we can get, they still seem like they're somehow trying to entice people with the possibility of melee.

Other jobs now have their iconic Empyrean gear, many of which have stellar melee attributes, while our Estoqueur "Swordsman" gearset has none.

And yet, almost as if to say "Just give those meleetards something to shoot for", we are managed to fit into gear like Twilight Knife, Calmecac Trousers, Tumbler Trunks, Rager Ledelsens, or Atheling Mantle. Then there are of course the All Jobs weapon Hachimakis or Weaponskill belts. Overall, I think we did somewhat decently as far as weaponskill pieces are concerned.

Actually, as I posted in the Accomplishments thread, I recently got Twilight Knife, which has revitalized my interest in making an Evisceration set. So far, my prospective set is:

Main: Twilight Knife
Sub: Khanda +2
Ammo: Demonry Core
Head: Issen Hachkimaki
Neck: Soil Gorget
Ear1: Hollow Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Antares Harness
Hands: Goliard Cuffs (if you ask me, this is probably the weakest area and I'm having a tough time thinking of anything "good" to wear here)
Ring1: Iota Ring
Ring2: Rajas Ring
Back: Atheling Mantle
Waist: Light Belt
Legs: Tumbler Trunks
Feet: Rager Ledelsens

There's a lot of old stuff in there, but some of it is also pretty new.

It's the TP building sets that haven't been modernized to meet today's FFXI standards; it still requires Goliard Saio and Dusk +1 hands/feet at the very least. I can't think of any particular TP set where we didn't have these items. We also must have Zelus Tiara. There's just no way around it apparently.

All jobs even got a JSE weapon and we got Chimeric Fleuret, which actually strikes me as a very good weapon. It actually makes me upset to see this weapon because it's clear the devs know exactly what the job needs to be a serviceable frontline unit. I think they just like stringing people along and watching those expectations get blown up. They knew that people were expecting to get spells like Gain-STR this previous update. Because that's the order the nuking elements go in: Stone (VIT), Water (MND), Wind, (AGI), Fire (STR), Ice (INT), Lightning (DEX). But in its place, we got Gain-CHR, a spell that serves us no use no matter how you try and justify it.

So yeah, I can tell people here I accept the reality of the job in practice; if I didn't care about casting, I wouldn't have bothered with finishing my Estoqueur +2 set. That doesn't mean I can't feel the team behind FFXI is doing a disservice by seemingly intentionally stringing people along like that.

[Taskmage]

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+1 to the mixed signals. It's not that people are hanging on to an old image of rdm, it's that SE keeps reinforcing that idea with updates like composure and enspell IIs that suggest rdms should try to melee while holding back on equipment and encounter design that would make melee viable in anything but the most narrow situational sense.

[Mhurron]

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You already know what I've said on the Official Forum, but just to reiterate it here, I really do believe SE is not being honest about what their intentions for the job are.

Actually I believe SE is quite clear in their intentions for jobs, they bow to what the playerbase has decided.

PLD gets nothing, because PLD is not wanted by the players
RDM gets only mage stat related gear, because RDM is to be a caster
NIN has been the player favorite for so long, they get basically anything they need to be able to solo anything.
The DD jobs aren't any different from one another, so they don't really get anything different. They're all interchangeable, unless you need to proc red, in which case they're all equally useless compared to a WAR.

Hell, basically SE just made it so that there are 3 jobs in the game anyway, NIN, DD and magic users. They were even so nice as to let the unwanted jobs to have some of the same gear.

[Malacite]

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Eh, Antares harness? Maybe for WS (Unless RDM can use Heca? Don't think it can though) but Goliard is still king for TP which is pretty sad but it's the only haste body RDM has access to and it gives a good chunk at 4%.

Need to toss in a Goading Belt there too for TP.


EDIT: Well, that's crap - BLU can wear Loki's kaftan but RDM can't. What the crap SE...

EDIT 2: Never mind, thought you were talking about the dagger when you do have OA2~4 sword. ROFL RDM can't use Aurore either, wow... guess SE didn't want us to literally be Pink Mages.

[Taskmage]

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Read the post, ffs. That's his evisceration set. Why would he throw TP gear in it?

[Ketaru]

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Eh, Antares harness? Maybe for WS (Unless RDM can use Heca? Don't think it can though) but Goliard is still king for TP which is pretty sad but it's the only haste body RDM has access to and it gives a good chunk at 4%.

Need to toss in a Goading Belt there too for TP.


EDIT: Well, that's crap - BLU can wear Loki's kaftan but RDM can't. What the crap SE...

EDIT 2: Never mind, thought you were talking about the dagger when you do have OA2~4 sword. ROFL RDM can't use Aurore either, wow... guess SE didn't want us to literally be Pink Mages.

Well, I did the counting and it is possible to get 26% Haste without Goading Belt. Personally, I'd get the belt just cause it's costs less compared to other options. Unfortunately, for all my other gear, I don't know if I can get help to get Goading. The triggers for Lacovie are awfully annoying to get, solo. Right now, I have 25% Haste. My RDM can't use my Twilight Belt, unlike my BST, har har...

But here is the gear that gives 27% Haste...you can drop 1% from hands, feet, or belt wherever you please.

Head: Zelus Tiara
Body: Goliard Saio
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Waist: Goading Belt
Legs: Calmecac Trousers
Feet: Dusk Ledelsens +1

[Malacite]

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Wait, what the fuck? You have a Zelus Tiara but you're bitching about a Goading Belt o-O ?!

Just do what most people do - gold box farm it.Get a buddy or two and if you can cap Azure Amber & Perle (shouldn't be hard rofl) and kill EP~DC mobs you should be able to get a few popsets in just over an hour without ever touching the 10 NMs (along with full popsets for Chloris and Glavoid which technically gives you each a 2nd Lacovie)

Looking over various slots... man RDM gets screwed out of a lot of prime melee gear that it SHOULD be able to wear, like Ocelot & Homam... WTF SE...

Shit even stuff like Ace's Sabatons would be wonderful and I'm pretty sure is considered medium armor not Heavy...

Also wiki's over-all lists are incomplete, which makes searching rather annoying.


EDIT: Yeah I'm not seeing anything you can use for better TP.

Do you have the 3 add-on scenarios? The Redingote sucks regardless, even if you slapped on +10 acc and +3 crit rate but a Selenian Cap with Acc +10/Attack +5 and STR +4 / WS Acc +15 would be marginally better, lol. In fact the only one that seems even remotely worth it is the Tatsumaki Sitagoromo with Critical Hit Damage +3% and Accuracy +7.


I don't know if RDM can use any of the new Voidwatch melee gear but I doubt it... yeah looks like you pretty much got all the gear nailed.


Oh course I maintain that ultimately, barring a few truly amazing pieces of gear like Epona's ring, it's all pointless speculation until we have 99 anyway with regards to equipment for all jobs. For all we know 99 gear could make AF3+2 look like complete crap.

[Grizzlebeard]

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Wait, what the fuck? You have a Zelus Tiara but you're bitching about a Goading Belt o-O ?!

Or maybe he just listed items that would be needed to give 27% haste, not items he currently possesses.

*Hint* He doesn't have a goading belt but it's listed in there as well.