Post your FFXI goals of the week!

[Squiggs]

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Gotcha I though anything that aggroed at 75 still aggrod at 99…haven been to LoO in a long time.

This is right.

[Yygdrasil]

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just checked on my phone. on cerb 46 in stock averaging 75-80k a piece ><

Mistype on the Garudite #. I meant to say 15. I know better than that.

As for the price. They go for 70-80k on Valefor... but if you check the history for today and yesterday... certain people are selling for as low as 10-30k. You just have to catch them at the right times. (I usually check about 10 minutes after Windsday ends)

[Squiggs]

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Since my Dyna group wants to start mixing in Abyssea every other week for Zone/Cat clears, I've decided its time to dust off Warrior and start skilling up.

Goals:
Skill up for red/blue proc to at least somewhere north of 300 and do the trial WS.
Dagger - capped for WAR, still a bit to go for DNC
G.Axe- 370
Axe - 310
Sword - 245 (from 137 yesterday morning)
Polearm - 235
Club - 230
Staff - 210
G.Sword - 145 (from 0 yesterday evening)
Scythe - 0

For the time being, I'll probably be going on BLM or WHM, but it'll be nice to have options.

[Yygdrasil]

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Goal: Obtain Nirvana

No srsly... the Mythic Staff for SMN.

Requirements:

Captain Wildcat Badge

Floor 100 of Nyzul isle and recorded

All Assault Missions finished and recorded
- 10 Assaults for each of the 5 zones for a total of 50

All 3 ToAU Beastman Bosses Killed and titles obtained
- Gulfurlur the Menacing
- Medusa
- Gulool Ja Ja

All 4 Salvage Chariots Killed and titles obtained
- Sun Chariot
- Star Chariot
- Comet Chariot
- Moon Chariot

Einherjar Odin Killed and title obtained
- Smouldering Lamp*
- Rossweisse's Feather
- Grimgerde's Feather
- Siegrune's Feather
- Helmwige's Feather
- Schwertleite's Feather
- Waltraute's Feather
- Ortlinde's Feather
- Brunhilde's Feather
- Gerhilde's Feather
*Obtained after completing all 9 areas

150,000 Nyzul Isle Tokens
- Obtained in varied amounts after every successful mission

100,000 Inchor from Einherjar
- Obtained in varied amounts after every successful mission

30,000 Alexandrites from Salvage
- Obtained from Gears in Salvage zones as well as from Chariot Bosses in varied amounts

All 3 T4 Zeni Notorious Monster Items (100% drop rate)
- Tyger's Tail
- Tinnin's Fang
- Sarameya's Hide

Fight Zahak/Balrahn

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Wish me luck! Tomorrow I start by:
Collecting the 9 keys to access the 3 Beastman Leaders
Climb to Nyzul Isle floor 60/100
Run Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants for the win
Run Einherjar - Rossweisse's Chamber for the win
&
Take a retarded number of pictures to turn in for zeni over time

[Raydeus]

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I knew this day would come but it still ain't pretty.

Yggy...finally lost it.

[Yygdrasil]

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I anticipate being finished... in about a year. If I can manage it in less time awesome... but I don't expect to. Alexandrite/Inchor are the 2 hardest parts of the entire questline. You either pay out the ass for them in gil... or you suffer getting pennies worth every time you participate in their respective events. I expect to be doing a little of column A and a little of column B. If i keep up Dynamis on top of everything else, I can earn gil towards buying Alex over time.

Currently... 1 Alexandrite = 6,000 gil

If I end up farming half and buying the other half... I'd stand to pay out around 90,000,000. I already have 10,000,000 mil on me saved up. In the time between now... and when i actually need to start turning it in, I expect to have around 25mil.

It's going to be a long road... but I think of it as a prestige thing. I'm not in it for the bragging rights... just to know that I finished one of the single hardest quests in the game.

Also: Obtaining the 3 T4 ZNM items will also get me the 3 KI's I need to access the PW fight. While I'm at it, I'll also be able to tackle one of the all-time hardest NMs in the game to boot! Win-Win!

[Squiggs]

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Good luck and all that Yyg, I'm rooting for you.

But, seriously, this:

Yggy...finally lost it.

[Hayde]

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I anticipate being finished... in about a year. If I can manage it in less time awesome... but I don't expect to. Alexandrite/Inchor are the 2 hardest parts of the entire questline. You either pay out the ass for them in gil... or you suffer getting pennies worth every time you participate in their respective events. I expect to be doing a little of column A and a little of column B. If i keep up Dynamis on top of everything else, I can earn gil towards buying Alex over time.

Currently... 1 Alexandrite = 6,000 gil

If I end up farming half and buying the other half... I'd stand to pay out around 90,000,000. I already have 10,000,000 mil on me saved up. In the time between now... and when i actually need to start turning it in, I expect to have around 25mil.

It's going to be a long road... but I think of it as a prestige thing. I'm not in it for the bragging rights... just to know that I finished one of the single hardest quests in the game.

Also: Obtaining the 3 T4 ZNM items will also get me the 3 KI's I need to access the PW fight. While I'm at it, I'll also be able to tackle one of the all-time hardest NMs in the game to boot! Win-Win!

It takes 26,000 hours to fully upgrade a Mythic weapon :: Final Fantasy XI :: ZAM

Not sure how accurate this is, but here's a copy/paste of the post:

So, sitting here, alone, on Christmas Eve, my thoughts turn towards the topic of wasted time and life. Naturally, MMORPGs figure prominently in this thinking. So I was wondering, what is the biggest single time sink in all of MMORPGs? What one achievement to unlock, item to earn, stat to max out, or storyline to clear takes the most time out of the whole time wasting field, either in total playtime or real-life days from start to finish, assuming no dawdling? I'll lead off with my candidate, from the MMO I am most familiar with: Final Fantasy XI.

The first nominee, for the "total playtime" category, is completing the Trial of the Magians necessary to upgrade a mythic weapon from its level 95 version to its level 99 version. For this trial, the Magian Moogles, pretentious little kupo-ing floating twerps that they are, want 500 Mulcibar's Scoria. These things, which look like ordinary rocks, drop one at a time from a boss called Pandemonium Warden. Does this name sound familiar to you? He should. He's the infamous superboss that got Final Fantasy XI its greatest media attention in years when a group of hardcore players put in 18 continuous hours trying to beat him once and quit when they were too physically exhausted to continue. Square-Enix was sufficiently stung by the negative media from this to remove a number of his alternate forms, lower his hit points by quite a lot, and add a two hour timer to change the nature of the challenge from a marathon to a sprint. Furthermore, the level cap has been raised from 75 to 99 since PW was first put in (although this is less impressive than it sounds, as raw stat gains slowed down considerably past 75; the main benefit is having the "level correction" functions work for you instead of against you).

Anyway, so 500 fights x 2 hours per fight = 1000 hours, so it still sounds like a lot of work, right? Well, actually, that's the least of it. You see, you can't just waltz up to ole' Pandy and challenge him anytime you want, you have to trade a "Pandemonium Key" first. How do you get the key? You need to kill three lesser bosses for a trio of items to trade an NPC for it. These bosses in turn require special pop items of their own to spawn, which require yet more bosses to be spawned and killed and trades to be made, and so on. It turns out that you also need to kill a total of 12 of these sub-bosses for each and every single time you fight the Warden. You'll also need to run back and forth between the town where the item trading NPC is and the middle of nowhere where the bosses are fought every time. Sound bad? No, two paragraphs and several thousand hours in and we haven't got to the bad part yet.

Here it is: you know that NPC that I mentioned that you need to trade items with? Well, he won't do it for free. This isn't a charity, sonny. And don't think you can weasel out of it by coughing up ordinary currency either; this guy wants his own very special form of currency called "zeni". How do you get "zeni"? Well, this same old geezer will give it to you in exchange for pictures of monsters, which you must go out and take with a special disposable camera (that in turn needs its own special currency to purchase, but never mind that; it's actually the least troublesome part of the whole thing). Now, you can only turn in ten pictures per game day, which is a little shorter than a real-world hour. So, we find the maximum amount of zeni we can reasonably expect to get per picture and multiply by ten to get our basic hourly zeni earning rate. We then tote up the base zeni costs (they increase from the base cost based on demand, by the way, so this method will actually lowball our time expenses somewhat) for our twelve bosses (don't forget to add the cost of the salt you need to teleport to the tier 4 boss battlefields!), add the cost for the Pandemonium Key, multiply by 500, and divide the total by the hourly zeni rate to get our estimate of our zeni farming time in hours. And that time is (drum roll please)...

Twenty. Six. Thousand. Hours.

This is not a typo. This is also not a readily comprehensible figure. Let's start by figuring how many hours there are in a year, 365 days per year times 24 hours per day = 8670 hours. 26000 hours is just a hair under three years. That's three years of doing nothing but taking pictures--24 hours a day, with no sleep, eating at your keyboard and defecating in your chair. (I hope you installed your PC in your bathroom.) Ok, so doing it in a "mere" three years isn't practical, or even human for that matter. Let's try treating this like a job. How many hours do people work in a year? Well, this game was made by Japanese people, so let's see what they would consider a reasonable work-year in hours. According to the book The Emptiness of Japanese Affluence, the highest estimate of the work year for the average Japanese male (and the FFXI dev team management are all men) is 2617 hours. Meaning that treating this like a job where you are a workaholic will get it done in about a decade. (Note that this is as much time as the game has been open to the public since its launch.)

Now, what else could you do with all that time?

According to Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, the key to success in any field is practicing a specific task for 10000 hours. (Note that this is just a fraction of the time you'll spend on this trial.) He specifically mentions that the members of The Beatles spent that long playing in Germany before returning to England. (So by the time you're done, you'll be the FFXI equivalent of half of The Beatles, with time left over for Yoko Ono to boot.) 10000 hours is more than enough to get a degree. 10000 hours, if worked at a paying job, will earn you enough money to buy a brand new car, or make a down payment on a house--or you could move to one of the cheaper parts of the country, and buy the whole thing with one lump sum payment and no mortgage necessary (be sure to give the banking system the finger for me). So if you are insane enough to undertake this senseless trial, you will spend the equivalent time of multiple brand new cars, or houses, or college degrees.

So, how will putting in 26000+ hours of grinding work in an MMO compare to putting in the same amount of time in something more practical? Not very well, obviously, but it's worse than you think. You see, this isn't even the time to earn one item; no, this is the time needed to earn one UPGRADE to one item. To earn the ultimate form of a mythic weapon, one has to complete multiple trials of greatly varying difficulty (you will be relieved if confused to note that other than this one, all the trials are trivial and could be done in a weekend). But to even start the trials you must first earn the base form of the weapon, which prior to this was the worst time sink in the entire game (it took months of grinding plus hundreds of millions of gil worth of items). Not only that, but of the three types of ultimate weapons the game unnecessarily has (but that's a whole other rant), mythic weapons are the lousiest type. As for whether this will be true once the trial is completed, well, no one knows at this point because no one has seen the stats on the final weapon yet let alone got to run any detailed comparisons. But hey, we know that after all this, it finally glows, and that's pretty cool, right?

As long as I am going on at length about the final mythic weapon magian trial, I might as well include the reaction of the playerbase to it. There are a tiny handful of people claiming that it will "separate those who worked for their weapons from those who got them handed to them", and similar nonsense. At least one of those is a poster generally supposed to be posting for no other reason than trolling; as for the other two, I have learned from my work on the 2000 U.S. Census that if you encounter enough people, at least a few of them are bound to be crazy. The reaction of the rest of the playerbase mostly resembles the Kübler-Ross model of the Five Stages of Grief: Denial ("it's just a placeholder number that they put on test server, the real number will be more reasonable", Anger ("They're crazy! Tanaka should be fired!"), Bargaining ("Ok, five PW kills would be fine. Maybe ten?"), Depression ("It's 2005 all over again. They're ruining the whole game..."), and finally, Acceptance ("I quit. See you guys on WoW!")

So that's my nomination for "Worst Single MMO Time Sink". What's yours? Surely some Korean grinder MMO out there can top this! Come on South Korea, we're counting on you! You can beat the hated Japanese, we know it!

[Raydeus]

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Holy mother of the moogles.

If SE spent even a fraction of their trolling hours (around 10000 by my latest estimate) actually thinking things through they would probably be the greatest MMOG developer in history. Or not.

[cidbahamut]

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Yggy...finally lost it.

This is really all that needs to be said.

Yyg is trying to beat FFXI.

[Yygdrasil]

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@Hayde
I have absolutely no intention of even attempting that final upgrade. The normal Mythic quest is enough of a headache without adding insult to injury. The trials that follow to upgrade it to the 95 version are definately in my future though. Even the final upgrade that requires me to kill Sarameya 3 additional times is something I'm willing to try... if it grants me a total of +35 Avatar MaB.

If I'm doing my math right with the MaB calculations, I'll be able to 1-shot just about any normal mob in the game below level 80 with the setup I have + Nirvana (95). Wind Blade for Garuda and Heavenly Strike for Shiva will absolutely decimate things.

I'm pumped.

@Cid
I am. I am trying to beat FFXI. I've completed almost all of the missions the game has to offer. I have beaten Abyssea. I have beaten every WoE. I have nearly completed Dynamis Dreamlands. I have Collected every Avatar. I have almost finished capping the skills on every job I took to 99. I'm done. I have nothing left to do besides work on a Mythic at this point.

I have to finish my Armageddon, but I'm waiting my turn within my LS in order to take a full team with me to get it done. After that. Nothing. I could work on getting those same Empyrians I have to 95, but like hell if I'm going to bother with those for the miniscule adjustments that they offer upon completion. I consider my time better spent working on something that only a few people in the game have ever accomplished. I know of only 1 person cross server who even owns a Nirvana.

Color me crazy, but it's the end-all-beat-all goal for me. After I'm finished with it, i can quit FFXI at any time and feel like I really did everything i ever wanted to do in the game. I could walk away happy.

[Neverslip]

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Finished the latest update, logged in, and emptied my mail box... so there's a step accomplished.

Yyg

... you're motherfuckin' nuts and that's awesome.

[Truece]

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I already have 10,000,000 mil on me saved up.

With 10,000,000 mil saved up, you should just go ahead and buy the alex right now, no?
/troll

[Romyro]

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Good for you Yyg. I believe in you!!!!

Not sure if holding off on Alex will help or hurt you. I’d assume help you seeing as dynamis currency dropped pretty low. If you’ve done any nyzule at all, you’ll probably already have a decent amount of tokens. I think have 50k+ just from getting to 100 and doing random boss floors (I was rarely asked to sponsor).
I did salvage the other day, not sure which, but it was an easy trio. Rdm, Thf, Bst. We won with plenty of time leftover. All though the Thf knew what to do, we just followed orders. I think we got around 100+ alex that run.

For Zeni…ask around who has any or who has pops already. You can probably avoid some of the earlier ones. I have about 3 pop items just chilling in storage…maybe others do as well.

[Squiggs]

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Goals:
Skill up for red/blue proc to at least somewhere north of 300 and do the trial WS.
Dagger - capped for WAR, still a bit to go for DNC
G.Axe- 370
Axe - 310
Sword - 245 (from 137 yesterday morning) 265 now
Polearm - 235 250 now
Club - 230 250 now
Staff - 210 225 now
G.Sword - 145 (from 0 yesterday evening) 250 now
Scythe - 0 250 now

I'm still kinda working on this, but we decided not to do Aby as a group and instead are going to work through WotG missions. I like this idea better.

Also, a new goal for this week is to get PUP to at least level 30 and get the three body upgrades done.