new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

[Vyuru]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Instead, everybody always has to make sure they add that little apologetic at the end, as if fearing the appearance of foolishness.

Not really IMO. I see alot of Rdm try to pass melee Rdm off as being able to deal damage like the other DDs, and it's just not there.

Also, the reason I tossed in the little tidbit about enhancing their magic damage is due to a couple of my LS members talking about seeing Blm with the Atma of the Beyond, Novio Earring, HQ Ice staff, and otherwise basic AH/NQ gear tossing out 400+ blizzards, 800+ Blizzard 2s, 1400+ Blizzard 3s, and 2400+ Blizzard 4s. LS Blms who are pimped out in gear are salivating at the thought of what they could do with said atma.

Now do I expect a Rdm to be able to match this? Probably not, but I'd be guessing that with decent gear they could do 3/4 of the damage. So I would surmise that spamming Blizzard for 300+ damage could very well be a viable tactic. And that's with one atma, I don't know what the other magey atmas are. Could be there are 2x mage atmas that would really boost a Rdm's spell damage. So I do think the potential is there for a DD Rdm. But still, if, and sure, it's probably a big if, but if Rdm could pump out cheap powerful spells like that, then that might be the way to go for Rdm DD. However I never see anything about Rdm nuking for DD, it's always how to melee for DD.

But I'm also going to say that the rdm who can do that and the situations that allow that are probably few and far between. And I'm not talking about vs a particular NM or anything. Abyssea is a timed event, most likely LS leaders are calling out job assignments and I would expect that it to be very likely that the leader would ask someone to come on some other job rather than DD Rdm.

I'm more interested in the question: If all these BLUs can go about doing 4K damage spells, why don't I see more of them doing it?

Most Blue Mages I have run into are complete and utter gimps with no understanding of the job. Also it is total anathema to suggest anything other than /nin to most Blu. Furthermore, it's Vstylz's attitude and approach to Blu. All of his set spells are typically either DD spells or +stat spells, mostly +str I think he said once. I myself do not like to play Blu that way, I prefer to use self SC or to SC with others to increase my damage. He's also got a ton of +stat abyssites. But really it comes down to how he approaches the job. As he put it, he plays to deal all out damage, most people who /nin are playing a bit on the conservative side of things to survive, just in subjob choice.

had some kind of super-Magic Shield effect that caused any Sword specifically wielded by a Red Mage that hit it to bounce off and decapitate said Red Mage in an OHKO

A totally awesome idea that SE should implement now

[ShepardG]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Funnie thing about the melee rdm discussion...

I am not a huge fan of Melee rdm, I used to be, but I came to the realization that being good at DD'ing on RDM still left you well behind a decent/good dedicated DD. I focused on my RDM's ability to outlast mobs, and to survive wicked AoE's/1-shot TP moves from mobs, etc. I focused my DD on putting out high numbers.

With that said, It pains me to know that:

1. 95% of RDM's who are concerned with Melee usually take some semblance of "pride", or a few minutes to research, or actually swap into a WS set, etc. TL;DR: "They give a damn"
2. Most RDM's that give said damn, can usually out parse 80% of Pick up groups DD's who don't seem to realize that haste doesn't affect Weaponskills.
3. With this simple WS set I'm building out of my head, and 'Atma of the Razed Ruin', Melee RDM can leaps and bounds out parse that 80% of DD's

Blau/Joy/X/Insert some ammo thing here (all i can think of is white tathlum)
Walhara/Love torque/Dex or Str Earring/Brutal
Antares/AF2 i think?/Dex ring/rajas
any of the newAcc back pieces/Warwolfs/anything with dex or str on it for the legs/same for feet

Seriously, that's not that hard to aquire now, and it really will put out 800-1400 DMG eviscerations QUICKLY. Atma of the RR is sick broken. Could a DD that has a critable WS destroy a good Melee RDM with that atma? sure, but most people don't give a shit

Hence why RDM melee is even fesiable in PUG's

TL;DR: RDM's care more than most DD's so their numbers are better 80% of the time, which makes RDM's viable, IMHO

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

With that said, It pains me to know that:

1. 95% of RDM's who are concerned with Melee usually take some semblance of "pride", or a few minutes to research, or actually swap into a WS set, etc. TL;DR: "They give a damn"

If only this is true. In my experience, most RDMs who insisted on melee'ing sucked.

2. Most RDM's that give said damn, can usually out parse 80% of Pick up groups DD's

I'll bite; what kind of damage output performance numbers are we talking about here?

Forget "theory crafting" and chest puffing--parse a few exp/merit sessions in Abyssea. if those RDMs can show decent "total DPS" numbers, then they should be able to convince reasonable people that their RDMs are acceptable front line DDs.

It really is that simple.

[Raydeus]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Man I'd like to take part in that test. I'm interested in knowing how bad my cheap build (+trial sword{s}) is compared to a Blau based setup.

I'd probably go with /dnc still though, the +acc and stackable trial weapon bonuses would probably be very decent for dot, no to mention having only Savage Blade would put things in perspective.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

no to mention having only Savage Blade would put things in perspective.

? No Death Blossom? . . . and you've been putting how much time on your . . . Dual-Wielded . . . Trial Swords? >.>;;;

[Vyuru]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

No Death Blossom?

Depending on the status of Nyzul on his server I can easily see that though.

There are times on my server now where you can't get anyone to go even if you are letting askar go freelot.

[Raydeus]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Nyzul floor 20, and staying that way till the end of times or until:

A) SE allows me solo it.
B) A miracle happens and I somehow find a static for it.

By the way how much dmg is it supposed to do? Because I don't remember ever being outdamaged with Death Blossom over Savage Blade in Campaign, as pathetic as that sounds. o_O

[Yellow Mage]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Just about all of the Red Mages I've seen meleeing in campaign full-time the Redingote with Magic Accuracy and Fast Cast on it, or something at least as stupid (curiously, they somehow do have Death Blossom, however). So I wouldn't doubt your claim.

Anyway, 3-hit weaponskill, apparently first hit gets a flat TP mod of x1.125 damage (which means roughly x3.125 total every 100% TP, versus x2 every 100% on Savage Blade for unfortunately maximum efficiency). Stat mods are the same as Savage Blade, and instead of Scission the secondary skillchain element is Distortion.

In other words, even in just pure damage-dealing capabilities, Death Blossom is strictly superior to Savage Blade. Which is why I won't be getting Savage Blade, personally.

[Vyuru]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

I can't really say how much damage it does, just that it lies somewhere between Savage Blade and Vorpal Blade.

Plus the added effect, it's a damn good WS, especially if you are lacking access to Vorpal Blade.

Also, in the off chance that you DO have the sword, if you solo you can always chip away at the WS points a little at a time. But even at lvl 20 I think that's an awful lot of WS points to go through.

[Raydeus]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Not that many weaponskills, only 7040! \(^-^)/


Yeah... orz


Although I wouldn't doubt it if the subpar dmg in Campaign was due to people missing hits like crazy. Too bad I wont get that WS anytime soon, specially considering the extra hit added from dual wield.


PS > I have the sword, yay inventory space -1. <_<

[Yellow Mage]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Dude. That number could be thousands less if you main-handed your sigil weapon while you were doing your trial weapons. You would've progressed on your trials slower, but you'd still be that much closer to Death Blossom.

Just sayin'.

[Raydeus]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

Good one.

[Elwynn]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

B) A miracle happens and I somehow find a static for it.

What is this "find"? You want a static, you create one. With the 85 cap, the only thing keeping you from doing at least 3 floors a week is shit floors... and YOU. (lol)

I started a static at 65 because I just wasn't seeing shouts (and I don't care for hanging out in WG anyhow). And I knew people in the LS had no floors. The plan is that they'll catch up with me eventually, and we're on 45 after 4 weeks.

And one of them had staticed me through CoP to the ring, just before the 75 cap and the CoP level caps were lifted, so it's kind of turning things around.

[Raydeus]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

That's with a LS. And that's also assuming I didn't try starting statics before.

[Vyuru]

Re: new level 85 cap?.... what the hell

One thing to keep in mind Raydeus is that Nyzul can be done with 3 man parties now, some of the folks in my LS are doing that with farming armor floors. Though I believe they still prefer to go in with 4, since Hydra or Cerby can still occasionally drag out the fight so that they time out.