Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

BRD and COR are popular, but no one wants to be the BRD because its the most dehumanizing experience in the game.

Because it was so dehumanizing, my greatest joy I ever got out of the BRD job was in Meripo and to mass pull mobs and really make the party squirm to try to kill everything. I never went over-board with it, but I would keep up to 2-5 mobs at a time all slept. I would just sit there and calmly sleep everything while everyone was shouting orders at each other. It was deviously delicious....

Talk about really testing someone's abillity to make decisions on the turn of a dime, though. Not to mention testing patience and grace under pressure.

It was cute to watch a WHM fluster and poop their pants. But I did not feel sorry for them. After 75 Levels of playing for possibly a month's time, Meripo is the perfect opportunity to see what separates the men from the boys.... or in this case, the stained from the unstained.

/psychopathy

[Mhurron]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Because it was so dehumanizing, my greatest joy I ever got out of the BRD job was in Meripo and to mass pull mobs and really make the party squirm to try to kill everything. I never went over-board with it, but I would keep up to 2-5 mobs at a time all slept. I would just sit there and calmly sleep everything while everyone was shouting orders at each other. It was deviously delicious....

I could have swore this was pretty normal for meripo. Except for the shouting, most people know how to target and kill things by 75.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

And I stand by my socialist view of game mechanics. I don't view video games as a hobby. It's my job. Squeenix called our classes "Jobs." It's a "Job System." That means you have to fkn work and do your job FOR THE GROUP. This isn't about "oh I want to have freedom to do whatever I want and get higher and better than everyone else so everyone else can suck it." This is a cooperative focused game mechanic. You got to do your job or YOUR xp suffers, not just your groups. It's the every man for himself mentality that drives people away from the game. Point in reference: End Game. lol

I clock in at 7:30pm and clock out at 3 in the morning. I get paid for my services in more ways than one; in personal rewards and satisfactions of knowing my accomplishments. The pixel crack doesn't hurt either. If I have to carry everyone's lazy asses around all evening and heal them, escort them thru zones, cast sneak every fkn two seconds and orgainze the party, gather all the info on how to complete the mission, make sure no one gets to yellow or is poisoned or crap because they scream at you like world peace is coming to an end..... (basically babysit)

... then by god you better bow down before my WHM might and let me bitch at you for brining less than your A-game. I'm the mutha fukn squad leader, not your carebear stare my lil pwny friend! Who in the hell brings their c-game to an a-game party? I'll tell you who, that runt bastard that use to play Tekken 3 at the arcade and always picked Eddie, spamming the control around in a 360 motion, whacking on buttons. That's the person I threw my fkn hot dog at the back of their head and watched them cry because they got demoralized.

Since I have to play my job in a socliast manner, the rest of you grunts can just do it too!

Wow, I sound like a real party nazi.... lmao.

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I could have swore this was pretty normal for meripo. Except for the shouting, most people know how to target and kill things by 75.

It's normal to me. It's not normal to a majority of players. Of course, I'm a 13371$7.

People freak out when a BRD is juggling 3 wyverns or a bunch of archaic ramparts. I think its a gas. But you could be right.... it might be more normal these days....

Hell, I remember pulling like 6 ot 7 Dolls while camping Despot up in sky once. That was a good night..... watching two of them explode at once on an alliance is comic relief.

[Mhurron]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

You need even more help then DakAttack.

It's a game and is nothing more then a hobby, get over yourself.

[DakAttack]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Hey now

[Malacite]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

As for the Stalin thing, I googled "Heroes of Socialism" and Stalin was the first relevant option to go with. There were lots of Obama pictures ahead of him. I chose Stalin.

Socialism is the mentality that everything should be even at the expense of those that are successful, it dovetails neatly into communism, but its not exactly the same thing. Socialism turns everyone into a number and allocates resources based on who the the government thinks is more important. That's why socialism is a terrible system.

Communism is taking it a step further. Government instead decides your role in society based off your talents rather than letting the individual decide what is right for themselves. The second the government finds someone better, you lose your prestige and get tucked away and some neat little corner if they can afford to give you at least that much.

If SE forces you to be a particular job in order to maintain fairness and balance, that's a socialist approach. Your role and value is based on the needs of the populace.

A communist system would have SE deciding my role based on which role I played the best by level 30 and then locking me into that role for my entire career.

A capitalist system - which is what we have - allows the player to compete and thrive based of what they determine their own talents to be, in addition to facing supply/demand for said talent. The populace and SE do not decide his role and talents for him. If they're not talented and fail to gain recognition, then they don't succeed. You re-evaluate and try to find where you can succeed and what your talents really are.

None of them are perfect systems, but I know which one offers the most freedom. I'll pick my roles, thanks.

Why am I not surprised? That was probably put in by idiots who, like most Americans, don't have a clue what socialism is. Speaking as someone who lives in a Fabian Socialist Country, at it's core it is mainly about the Government trying to give everyone a fair shake. Yes, it's flawed, and both Canada & the U.S. (along with pretty much every Western nation to varying degrees) are a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. Neither system truly works all on it's own because of the inherent flaws. You're mostly right about Communism though in that it's the extreme form of Socialism.

Yeah, that's right America you have socialist institutions. Wake the fuck up and read a book or visit another country sometime. Unless you want to abolish taxes altogether (on that note, Taxes didn't even exist in the U.S. until WW1) and have every kind of public service like roads and education to even the military run by corporations. Yeah, there's a lovely thought.

An all capitalist society would be akin to anarchy if you think about it. No regulations, no govt. programs to help people, it's basically the law of the jungle - the strong will survive and the weak will perish. And while that certainly works for some, human decency demands otherwise. Conversely an all socialist state would be stagnant and filled with civil unrest. The govt. really doesn't have the level of authority you think it does in socialism BBQ (not even in communist China, though they are damn close to a dictatorship), but it does determine a good amount of things for the perceived benefit of the whole. You'd still be free to pick your own careers/doctors etc (contrary to what the far right would have you believe in the U.S.) but the govt would be able to set limits on how many of X kind of corporations can operate etc etc... it's all rather complex.

Political dereail FTL

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I wouldn't worry about the PDR Mal, because this pertains to FF conversation. I mean the game has elements of both capitalism and socialism. Unfortunately, the weak suffer in this game and the strong survive mostly. FFXI is close to a dictatorship, if not, already one in the general scheme of all player bases/linkshells/etc.

You got your "lines" to win HL items in most linkshells; very socialist concept and it benefits a good amount of players, though is super slow. And in some you've got your "only the president and his buddies and anyone who has made him happy today, will get drops" linkshells; very capitolist, but only a few gain and the rest suffer and are required for their back breaking work to get that elite few to the top; but it results in instant-gratification for that select few.

If you ask me, Squeenix didn't really take personal player politics into consideration outside of the Japanese mentality. In JP, the community oriented and socialist mentality prevades. But what can you do? Balance out the two sections of politics in the game? Is there really a happy medium. I dunno...

I think that when people play a game they need to consider that it's "not just a game" all the time. If you're going to play a game and be competitive, you need to have a competitive mentality. But eh, people stand by their "I paid my 12.95 I can do whatever the fk I want mantra" like it's a GD bill of rights lol.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Why am I not surprised? That was probably put in by idiots who, like most Americans, don't have a clue what socialism is. Speaking as someone who lives in a Fabian Socialist Country, at it's core it is mainly about the Government trying to give everyone a fair shake. Yes, it's flawed, and both Canada & the U.S. (along with pretty much every Western nation to varying degrees) are a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. Neither system truly works all on it's own because of the inherent flaws. You're mostly right about Communism though in that it's the extreme form of Socialism.

If you're going to correct me, what you say should at least contain an actual correction.

The point is that is a game, why should we force people into roles when the whole point is the be any of the 20 jobs you want to be? I come here to have fun, not to do charity work.

Sometimes helping others can be fun for me, but its not really helping others if I am forced to do it. I'll choose to help those that I feel I can help and I often do, but I'm not obligated to help anyone. If I'm not obligated and I choose to help, my desire to help is genuine.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

The job thing is already pretty much in effect in endgame shells. Not for things such as meripo or Nyzul or what have you, but if I were to log into my linkshell and find that Faf window was open, I wasn't just coming any fucking job willy-nilly, I was coming whatever job the leadership told me to. I only got to choose what job I wanted to play on my off time, or on the off chance I was one of the first people heading to the Aery. Even then, I'd still be on the job most needed (WHM) because if there was less than four of us, we needed a holding party and BLM just wouldn't cut it.

Of course, endgame shells are not a democracy and they're not Burger King. You do what you're told, go where you're told, and play what job you're told. But on my free time? Fuck yeah I'm playing what I want to play.

The devs weren't paying me to come in and play. My linkshell was, in a way (when you think about points and items and gil payouts, etc. RL money, okay, no). But you talked about the game as being a job ... fuck that. When they pay me, I'll let them restrict what I play and when. The closest I got to that was the gear I got from my ls, and I played what was needed when I was on LS time. Just like when I clock in at work I do what they tell me to, but when I get home, fuck yeah I am going to put on sweats and crack open a damn beer in front of the TV and the computer.

Trying to balance the number of people on each job - making it even somehow, or whatever - it's just never going to happen. If I wanted to play the kind of game where I would always have a tank, a healer, a support/buffer, and 3 DDs, well, I'd play something offline, because then I'd be assured that I'd have those things. But part of the fun of XI was maybe finding some unconventional ways to do things when what you need isn't available. One of my best memories was a late night Khimaira that popped, and both the WHMs that were there had fallen asleep and we couldn't manage to wake them up. I was on BLM, along with three others on BLM, and we spam Cure 3'd the PLD until he got it under control, (had some close calls) and then I warped and came back on WHM. You know what? We managed, and hell that was the most fun Khim I ever played because of the way we had to work around what we had. It's a slightly different situation than what's described, but you get the idea. It's not as fun when everything is cookie cutter.

Except for merits. Then ... fuck yes, 2 BRDs, RDM, and 3 DDs, let's go destroy some Mamools.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Disagreeing just means you're an exception.

Seeing "exceptions" (and my sister plus myself are hardly the only ones) should means you need to revise:
"... no one wants to be the BRD because its the most dehumanizing experience in the game."
to
"... many people do not to be the BRD because of some bad experiences."

(But, I doubt you can admit an error so easily.)

You're a support player, of course you're going to say this. If people liked being BRDs so much, they'd use them for more than just getting easy merits and then hiding them for the rest of their FFXI careers.

In the past three weeks, I've used: PLD and SCH for Sky, RDM and PLD for ZNM; SCH and SAM for Dynamis; SAM for Nyzul Isle and Assault; and, last but not least, BRD for merit party and Einherjar.

Really, I see people stuck on particular job for some events, but no one with multiple jobs I know of stuck on only one for all events. Heck, in my Sky LS, I never know what anyone is bringing except the leader--WHM, since we're short on that job. And, this one player who's usually BRD, since he hates to bring melee job to Sky.

Can I say your experience is more of the exception? lol. Obviously, to not exaggerate myself, I should say you exaggerated, and not every BRD player is stuck on BRD all the time.

JP parties I understand it. They're not all fluent in English,

No, you don't understand at all. They use it like a title--it's not a nickname or shorthand or a put down.

I said it's a cultural norm; in Japan, it's natural in real life to address a flower shop owner as "flower shop (person)", or a sushi chef as a "sushi shop (person)". The same goes for "section chef" and other titles within the workplace. It's not rude in the least bit, even amongst people who have known each other for years. (Not using the titles would be rude, though, depending on the situation and relationship.)

Look past your own (cultural) bias to interpret not using name is rude and is meant to demean someone. (How much experience do you have with foreigners anyway? lol.)

[Malacite]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I wouldn't worry about the PDR Mal, because this pertains to FF conversation. I mean the game has elements of both capitalism and socialism. Unfortunately, the weak suffer in this game and the strong survive mostly. FFXI is close to a dictatorship, if not, already one in the general scheme of all player bases/linkshells/etc.

You got your "lines" to win HL items in most linkshells; very socialist concept and it benefits a good amount of players, though is super slow. And in some you've got your "only the president and his buddies and anyone who has made him happy today, will get drops" linkshells; very capitolist, but only a few gain and the rest suffer and are required for their back breaking work to get that elite few to the top; but it results in instant-gratification for that select few.

If you ask me, Squeenix didn't really take personal player politics into consideration outside of the Japanese mentality. In JP, the community oriented and socialist mentality prevades. But what can you do? Balance out the two sections of politics in the game? Is there really a happy medium. I dunno...

I think that when people play a game they need to consider that it's "not just a game" all the time. If you're going to play a game and be competitive, you need to have a competitive mentality. But eh, people stand by their "I paid my 12.95 I can do whatever the fk I want mantra" like it's a GD bill of rights lol.

I'm not sure if you're just plain dumb, paranoid, or both. And BBQ hit the nail on the head with regards to BRD & COR. I used to love BRD, but the lack of variety in the musical tones, frequency of recasts and well quite frankly the fact that you are quickly viewed as more of a tool and less of a human put me off that job forever. I love COR to death but I can't afford to bank roll it so I mostly pick it up whenever I'm really bored, though that doesn't mean I cheap on the good stuff (except for some of the other rolls that don't get used like DRG roll etc. Well I shouldn't say never used, just extremely niche)

[Taskmage]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

This thread is going to have to simmer down some or I'm going to have to start doing my job and handing out infractions.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o


SIMMA DAHN NA!

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

If it was good enough for Dungeon Master to call people by their jobs it's good enough for me!

Get pulling Ranger, Barbarian, Magician, Thief, Cavalier aaaaaaand Acrobat... Bard!

[Kailea]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

If it was good enough for Dungeon Master to call people by their jobs it's good enough for me!

Get pulling Ranger, Barbarian, Magician, Thief, Cavalier aaaaaaand Acrobat... Bard!

if its a plan that is being reviewed, I don't mind being refereed to as my job, but if you talking to me, please say at least "Kai" ;p