Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I'm guessing Refresh II will be like Regen II, double power.

While many are understandbly excited at the possibility of gaining Refresh with /rdm I'd temper that with the knowledge of an extra 24 levels worth of spells with presumably greater MP costs. It may be that Refresh II is needed to just keep up with the cost of spamming level 90-99 spells.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I'd also say that in the case or RDM, a second tier might just change the nature of how the Spell is cast, like Phalanx II, which RDM's claim "isn't worth it" because SCH can AoE the first tier and SCH is really only a few points behind RDM on enhancing skill if we're talking ideal the maximum Ehanching builds.

And if RDMs are complaining about Phalanx II MP costs now, Accession isn't going to make them any happier at twice the usual cost.

Accession would still be advantageous for Refresh and Haste, though, so long as there's more than two people in PT that need it.

I'd also like to again point out that SE was more than happy to pass out the "stance" and "charge" approach to many jobs over the last year. First it was SAM with Hasso and Seigan stances, they built on the idea with SCH and added Strategem charge to mix in with that idea.

COR got charge applied to Quick Draw, under subjob in this new scheme, they'll also get Velocity Shot by level 90.

MNK got Footwork and we still don't quite know what the make of that.

RDM got Composure at 50 and new enspells, no one else will be able to have composure

WHM got Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Misery at 40, but Auspice came at 55 and Sacrifice at 65. So other jobs get to enjoy some of the effects, but WHM gets the most out of it and likely will get more.

SCH, as I said before, will always have the lead on stratagem charges, no other job will probably see more than two of them at a recast of two minutes. which SCH might gain up to 6 with potentially a 30 second recharge if SE's method of scaling is anything to go by. There will probably be at least one new tier of stratagems, too.

SMN's Avatar's Favor is 55.

MNK qot Footwook at 65

WAR got Retaliation at 60

NIN got Innen and Yonin at 40.

THF got Accomplice and collaborator at 65, but I'm going to note Triple Attack is 55.

SE likes to put these changes in multiples of 5, particularly over level 50, which is the new point where no new skills can be drawn from, like level 38 under the current design since we can only have level 75. Everything stops at 49.

Those that are saying SE wasn't planning for a level increase - its probably a good idea to review these particular fasts.

Some of these updates could be argued to have been implemented prematurely, such as the ones THF, WHM, MNK and NIN got feel sort of incomplete, don't they? There could be new abilities and spells that play heavily into these

[Clever Ninja]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

While many are understandbly excited at the possibility of gaining Refresh with /rdm I'd temper that with the knowledge of an extra 24 levels worth of spells with presumably greater MP costs. It may be that Refresh II is needed to just keep up with the cost of spamming level 90-99 spells.

Imo

Refresh 2 - 4mp/tic, available at least at/before level 82 so that RDM still has a party slot that can't be overshadowed by anyone with a /RDM subjob(I'd never bring a RDM over a WHM/RDM or SCH/RDM for example if they could cast Refresh at the same potency just for the fact that they have more mp efficient healing compared to RDM)
Refresh 3 - 5mp/tic fully merited at 99

[ShepardG]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I think your refresh numbers might be a bit low, honestly

Refresh 2, 6mp/tic sounds about right maybe level 82-85ish. Ofcourse this all is theory craft, who knows, honestly ya know.

I fully believe we'll see balad3 at some point also, But I wouldn't be surprised to see Ancient magic 3 take 350~440mp, and a Tier V to take 240+ so having a 6tic/refresh + 5tic balad (9tic/with G.horn) + 1-5 gear(i'm sure they'll have updated gear with additional refresh, well i hope so anyway)/sanction refresh, should equal out to about the speed at which we cast curently.

[Solymir]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

If we see them at all.

I'd expect 5mp per tick from a Refresh II, and 3 mp per tick from Ballad III. That would make a stacked Ballad II & III = 5 mp per tick.

One thing I am looking forward to seeing is if Whm/Sch really does get Accession. I have need to use Regen III on 3+ characters fairly often in end game events.

[Zoltar]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Althought I'm sure it was probably said a dozen time, I wonder if avatar perpetuation cost will change based on all this Refresh talk.... {Hmmm.}

[Neverslip]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Heroic skills (76+)

Regain ... can I (Dnc) or any job I'm around has it??

[ShepardG]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

DUDE, Regain would be so awesome! make it like composure, and have it give 2tp/tic, that would be so sick, yet not overly powerful

[Malacite]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Refresh II is going to have to be fairly potent that's for sure.

Just in case anyone wanted a full wrap up, BG has one - [ame=http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89579]VanaFest 2010 Wrap-Up (Via Elmer & Zam) - Order of the Blue Gartr[/ame]


I'm just gonna quote the job updates as the whole post is rather large.

Job Adjustments

With the Level Cap increasing to 99, every Job in the game is set to receive a little makeover. The developers stressed how they wish to rebalance the Jobs along the path to 99, and help inject variety into their role while making them more appealing for endgame activities. There will also be a set of Job-specific Emotes, of which two were showcased on screen. A Warrior cracked his knuckles and gave a "bring it on" gesture with his hand while Thief threw down a smoke bomb and became invisible temporarily.

So, what are the gameplay changes we can expect?

*Note: Many of the adjustments in this section were ideas being tossed around by the developers. There is no guarantee they will make it into the game, and if they do, in what shape or form they might appear.

Warrior was designed as the orthodox attacker-type Job. They can equip the widest variety of weapons and armor, and have both offensive and defensive Abilities. Going forward, the developers want to enhance a Warrior's role as the point-man, leading the attack and maintaining party cohesiveness. To that end, they may receive a new Ability that aids them in tanking.

Monk has a number of Abilities that focus on the character itself, but the developers want to add more outwardly focused Abilities based on timing. These techniques would be most effective based of the condition of the monster or the party. One example was an Abilitiy that, with the right timing, could hinder the enemy's movement.

White Mage is a Job that has received several adjustments over the past year and now has many technical aspects in its role as a healer. Besides being an expert healer, White Mage may receive some tweaks to allow it some bonuses for fulfilling this purpose. For example, there could be an Ability that lets the White Mage fire off one attack spell at no MP cost after healing a certain total amount.

Black Mage was jokingly said to be the Job that keeps blasting away like crazy till it's swatted down and killed. Still, the developers realized this is the way people enjoy playing the Job, so they won't fight it. Black Mages itching to deal out the damage can look forward to learning Meteor as the Level Cap is rasied.

Red Mage came up on the screen, and the first thing Matsui said was, "Red Mage... is pretty strong..." which got some chuckles from the crowd. Still, they don't want to do anything to discourage people from leveling it to 99. As other Mage Jobs catch up to Red Mage with access to Convert and Refresh, Red Mage will continue to be balanced against them on the road ahead. Some ideas include giving Red Mages more free time during parties and improving their Enhancing prowess, but Matsui apologized saying they would have to play it by ear.

Thief employs a unique set of Abilities, but also relies on the party to bring out its full potential. This is the form Thief will retain, but expect new variations where instead of matching the pace of the party, the Thief will instead be able to direct the flow party through the use of its techniques. This will include new ways to manage Enmity, allowing the player to more freely raise and lower Enmity and avoid dangerous situations. For endgame content, the Thief may also be improved to deal out more damage. The Community Team Twitter also indicated an enhancement to Treasure Hunter and a new Steal Ability could be in the works.

Paladin has received a number of upgrades to enhance its role as a tank, and the developers are looking to secure that position as Paladin makes the climb to level 99. As enemies get stronger and stronger, they need to be careful about balancing the defensive power of the Paladin as well. This Job is meant to lead the party, and so will receive other Abilities to protect its members, including ways to give the Cover Ability more usage (a Paladin trademark they feel doesn't see enough action).

Dark Knight has become a little too much of a self-destructing Job, in that it simply tears through enemies while destroying itself in the process. The feeling is the magical side is under-utilized, so expect some improvements to Absorb-type spells as well as a method of recovering MP.

Bard is a powerful Job that raises the base strength of the entire party, but there are still some issues present. First and foremost is the inability of a Bard to cast songs on themselves. Either you get what you cast on your party members, or you quickly overwrite anything song you had active on yourself before. A way to make songs on oneself immune to being overwritten is being discussed. Also, now that Bard pulling is common practice, they are looking for a way to increase a Bard's survivability during a long or tricky pull. To help manage instruments, the Magian system may allow for a single instrument to support bonuses on multiple song types.

Beastmaster will have the benefit of getting more to do with Call Beast. In the next Version Update, they want to soften the rarity and price of Call Beast items so Beastmasters can use them more freely. In future updates, pets from Call Beast could gain new traits like Subtle Blow, the ability to grow and improve like Wyverns and maybe even some unique attacks.

Ranger is set to focus around the theme of dealing damage while constantly assessing one's Enmity and distance from the enemy. In addition to its role as an attacker, the Ranger will gain more control over its own Enmity level. There were two examples of possible future Abilities: one was an Ability that, while active, would consume either 2 arrows or 2 bullets at the same time for double damage, and another Ability was one that when used at the proper distance, reduces damage slightly while decreasing Enmity.

Samurai , compared to most other jobs, is the most versatile and useful across a wide variety of situations. The plan is to maintain its position as a strong attacker, and let other Jobs play catch up on the way to level 99. Also, Samurai may be made more enticing as a Support Job by, for example, lowering the level of Sekkanoki to where it can be subbed.

Ninja has secured its spot as a tank, but the developers are considering the need for an Ability that allows them to sharply increase Enmity, akin to Provoke. However, rather than a simple spike of hate, they want it to entail more collaboration with the party itself, so there is still more discussion to be had before the Ability takes shape. Another consideration is Ninjutsu one can employ as backup when suddenly stripped of their Utsusemi shadows. Regarding Utsusemi, they are considering having the icon display your remaining shadows.

Dragoon has a style all its own, but the developers would like to remove the limitation that Healing Breath has in regards to being linked to only certain Support Jobs. However, they first have to consider how strong Healing Breath with each Support Job might be, and in the meantime may consider new breath attack as well. Matsui also commented a new Jump Ability might be in the works.




Summoner surely took home the gold in Tokyo, getting two brand new Avatars as part of its Job Adjustment package! Alexander and Odin, featured in the Treasures of Aht Urghan expansion, will arrive along with the March Version Update. These special Avatars can only be used with Astral Flow active, but contain some powerful abilities. Alexander uses "Perfect Defense," which gives all party members damage reduction and protection against status ailments. Odin has his trademark Zantestuken, which can instantly kill monsters within range. The accuracy of this attack is affected by the Summoner's MP and the amount of enemies in range. Against NMs, Zantetsuken will simply deal damage. As Summoner climbs towards the new Level Cap, all Avatars will be receiving new Blood Pacts.

Blue Mage gets, as the MC put it, "What else, but new Blue Magic!" The Job is expected to receive more spells and more Traits from the combination of said spells being equipped. There's also the possibility that Blue Mages could receive Dual Wield as a natural Trait.

Corsair is based on playing the odds and trying to get that lucky number 11. To that end, some extra bonuses could added to make reaching that 11 even more beneficial for the Roll's effect. Also, they are considering making the Corsair a stronger damage source for parties.

Puppetmaster will get some love in the March update, with the master's Hand-to-Hand skill being raised from C to A. While their offense goes up, the Automaton's defense is set to be boosted as well in an effort to increase their survivability in a fight. In case the Automaton still manages to fall, a reduction to the recast time for Activate is also being considered for farther in the future. Other possible future tweaks include making it easier to heal the Automaton and making the Valoredge more of a match when tanking enemies.

Dancer is being looked at for some detailed changes, such as being able to cast Waltz on players outside the party. This will help in particular with NPCs fighting alongside you in Campaign for instance. After testing out that change, the developers want to re-examine how Dancers become too ineffective without TP and find a solution. Another idea is to increase the effect time of Sambas and Steps to allow a Dancer more freedom in a party.

Scholar uses its array of Abilities to manipulate magic with skill and finesse. The developers are happy with this role, but want to be careful not to add too many Abilities and over-complicate the Job. To avoid this, they want to focus on adding new spells rather than Abilities after the Level Cap is raised. These spells will still be designed to keep with the "strategist" theme of a Scholar.

[Neverslip]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Dancer is being looked at for some detailed changes, such as being able to cast Waltz on players outside the party. This will help in particular with NPCs fighting alongside you in Campaign for instance. After testing out that change, the developers want to re-examine how Dancers become too ineffective without TP and find a solution. Another idea is to increase the effect time of Sambas and Steps to allow a Dancer more freedom in a party.

FTW !!!

\( ToT )/

... of course there's more I'd like, but those are some much needed ideas floating 'round those dev's noggins.

[Takelli]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

FTW !!!

\( ToT )/

... of course there's more I'd like, but those are some much needed ideas floating 'round those dev's noggins.

Lol. Such as the "Dance of Death" XD

[Durahansolo]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Lowering the level of Sekkanoki to where it can be subbed.

Nobody is prepared to see how much of a LOLWAR I could be if that happened. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! j/k but, it would give me another reason to love /SAM and my friend who goes DRG/SAM would really like it lol.

Will we get to see Utsusemi: San at higher level for nin

I'd even like a reason for the return of WAR/MNK Counter + Retaliation...YES!

[cidbahamut]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I find it discomforting that they really have no idea what they're doing with Red Mage.

[hexx]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

I'm really loving this, I love the grind more than anything really.

[Neverslip]

Re: Over 9000... er... ok, Over level 75 - New cap 99 o.o

Lol. Such as the "Dance of Death" XD

Exactly^^