How will FFXI become with real PVP contents!

[Armando]

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And their shadows will absorb the spell, making it so that the bard can only sleep one at a time.

Shadows won't save you against an AoE.

[hexx]

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Shadows won't save you against an AoE.

Exactly, {Horde Lullaby} {You can have this}

[Takelli]

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Shadows won't save you against an AoE.

Shadows eat up all the aoe damage. The spell still wont affect you. I've been hit with Aoes with my shadows up, and it eats all the shadows, but I take no damage because my shadows took all the damage. I don't see why it would be any diferent.

[Kailea]

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Nope, I'm quite aware of what they're doing. How does that equate to me being agreeing with it or being ok with people encouraging SE to flail about more?

Balancing 20 jobs for PvE is a daunting task on its own, but try balancing it for PvP on top of that and you have a developer's nightmare. The results will not be pleasant for anyone involved.

what you quoted from me here, was referring to the fact that SE is using FFXI now as a testing ground for FFXIV stuff. It had nothing to do with job balancing -.-

[KingOfZeal]

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Perhaps because Horde Lullaby is an effect, not damage. A bit like being hit with Diaga -- you still get the Dia effect, and loose all your shadows to boot. They may absorb the damage, but not the effect.

[Armando]

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Shadows eat up all the aoe damage. The spell still wont affect you. I've been hit with Aoes with my shadows up, and it eats all the shadows, but I take no damage because my shadows took all the damage. I don't see why it would be any diferent.

Some physical AoEs are an exception to the rule and can be absorbed with shadows, but spells always fuck you over. You've clearly never been hit by an -aga spell with Utsusemi up. Last I checked Conflict adheres to these rules, hence why Diaga is used.

There's nothing quite like tanking a BLM NM on /NIN and nobody stunning a powerful -ga.

[Ketaru]

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Then of course there are all of them fancy ways to do damage that ignore shadows. All those magic weaponskills I brought up: Atonement, Primal Rend, Leaden Salute, Trueflight all ignore shadows and, even on evasive jobs, they are impossible to miss. This is also why I said COR is one of the most powerful jobs in PvP- all of their signature means of dealing damage ignore conventional ways to mitigate damage. Consider this COR I just watched in Meriphataud Mountains Ballista half an hour ago.

Earthsday. She was wearing Dorin Obi and Terra Staff. Sometimes she got the benefit of sand storm weather. Leaden Salute (some 400 damage) and 2 Earthshots (another some 400 damage each) will almost instantly drop just about anybody who is not a PLD or MNK.

This same COR also has SMN leveled and she has a field day with Titan's Geocrush which seems to ignore shadows. Even more so now with the Favors update, where she subs /BLU and, with Titan out, has 600+ defense...on SMN! EDIT: Incidentally, she also took the time to get Garland of Bliss, another magic WS that I completely forgot about, but she's all the better at SMN in PvP for having it.

Like I said though in my first reply, maybe my view of the PvP situation is clouded since play on Siren and many people even migrate to this server to have an opportunity to play it. Make no mistake though, it's a pretty active community on Siren.

That 70 Person Ballista I Mentioned

Of course, this is very much an exceptional match. But even today I saw a couple of matches that were some 30-35 people each. 60 cap is very popular. Uncap less so, but I was in Jugner Forest and Pashhow Marshlands today. Oh how I love that new BST update. I can command FunguarFamiliar to use Silence Gas on mages.

[hexx]

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Shadows eat up all the aoe damage. The spell still wont affect you. I've been hit with Aoes with my shadows up, and it eats all the shadows, but I take no damage because my shadows took all the damage. I don't see why it would be any diferent.

Like Armando said, yeah Ni or Ichi will save you from AoE TP moves (Sweep, Battle Dance come to mind) but it wont save you from AoE spells. Like any tank or melee /nin will tell you any elemental -ga spell (Thundaga, etc) or debuff (Diaga, Paralyga, etc) will strip your shadows and the effect will still land (i.e. Dia, or Paralyze effect). Same with Horde Lullaby, which is why BRD pullers in meritpos never use it to sleep colibri, it will fuck the whole party over once it gets reflected.

[wrongfeifong]

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I am sure you never fought a whm with skill before alot just /blm and heal. I played a dnc and i went against a WHM. I died so fast i didn't know what hit me. My dnc killed sam like they are ants.

Of course, you never fought a smart whm, heck, you might think that 99% of the whm doesn't even have this spell.
Banishga - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more Banishga. remove shadow. Guess what they do? Banishga you, repose you, debuff the heck out of you. and stoneskin/blink and hit you till dead.

Sam is a problem? not likely, Hexa strike him to dead. Also you have to note that max healing skill whm can't be interrupt. Cure V always land with a stoneskin that support over 200+ addition dmg. You would be paralyze so much to even do a thing, repose you again and you are sitting there. And don't look down on whm, they have MAX haste gear already + haste you are fighting a whm/nin that is same as a rdm/nin with a 5 hit hexa strike wonder.

Mages silence them and kill them on melee? Seriously, if they fix the change gear rules. Who kill who? BLM have stuns, highest int job in the game and the only jobs that might be able to silence them are RDM and sch (let not account whm in unless they have ES). Other then that, prepare to eat a sleepga 2 and a AM II for 1k then stun and bind for another sleepga and 1k (if they can change gear)

Brd can kill, joyeuse and genbu shield, they can power up their attacks, march their attacks. They can dot you and run. But it all come down to team work. 6 brd can kill a sam for sure. If they can't win solo, win it with a team.

Now for RNG, personally i never see them kill anyone much. their shadow bind doesn't apply often as timer allow. Yes they can WS kill you 1 hit, but you have shadow. Unless you pretty much a statue (if you didn't know you can also run back during they ws to get out of range. WS have limit range), i am sure you will find ways to counter them as i usually kill them so fast on my dnc. Which stupid rng (beside the K-club owners) would built their TP by melee anyway consider they have 0 haste pieces? I don't know one. Shoot some arrows and shadow eats them. RNG/SAM? they risk of dying right away.

Please don't put SAM at the top of the chain, they aren't that strong even with hagun, i found drk kill them faster and pld are just there to eat blows. I can't kill a pld as a dnc, but nor they can kill me when i hit them for 1-5 dmgs. More like they can't even break my shadow unless they have awesome godly gears that focus on attacks and acc, but if they do i can dmg them enough.

But all we are talking here are duels, and my point of PVP isn't about duels. 1 vs 1 is PVP but not what i would enjoy in long term.

[Firewind]

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Like Armando said, yeah Ni or Ichi will save you from AoE TP moves (Sweep, Battle Dance come to mind) but it wont save you from AoE spells. Like any tank or melee /nin will tell you any elemental -ga spell (Thundaga, etc) or debuff (Diaga, Paralyga, etc) will strip your shadows and the effect will still land (i.e. Dia, or Paralyze effect). Same with Horde Lullaby, which is why BRD pullers in meritpos never use it to sleep colibri, it will fuck the whole party over once it gets reflected.

Obviously you haven't met some of the BRDS I have met . All I will say is I'm lucky that Sublimation was ticking the most recent time it happened...