Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

[Aksannyi]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

Maintenance is probably for the summer event with that dancing chick.

[Kailea]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

Maintenance is probably for the summer event with that dancing chick.

it is, the event starts on the 4th, the maint is for prep of it.

[Elwynn]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

I'm guessing it probably was visa pushing it, and I may be wrong, but I'm assuming Debit cards don't work with the verified by visa program. and a lot of players pay with debit. SE should probably just let debit card users enter their pin number, which amounts to the same level of security as a password from the VbV

Except that debit card pins in the US have to be entered on an encrypted keypad, potted or otherwise tamper-proof, and with a unique master key injected by the bank for encrypting the pins, all to prevent interception. (This goes at least as far back as the mid '90s, long before UK/Europe went to chip-and-pin because their old system was so easy to intercept pins. Bad guys have had to make fake fronts that insert over ATMs to capture card swipes and keypad presses, since that's the only way to keylog them.*)

*EDIT: false fronts and even entire Fake ATMs

[Sylvane]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

Except that debit card pins in the US have to be entered on an encrypted keypad, potted or otherwise tamper-proof, and with a unique master key injected by the bank for encrypting the pins, all to prevent interception. (This goes at least as far back as the mid '90s, long before UK/Europe went to chip-and-pin because their old system was so easy to intercept pins. Bad guys have had to make fake fronts that insert over ATMs to capture card swipes and keypad presses, since that's the only way to keylog them.*)

*EDIT: false fronts and even entire Fake ATMs

well, that makes sense, I never really looked into the security features behind the pin. So debit card users pretty much have to call the bank and SE to get their cards to work then.

[Kurb]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

/CHEER I got my account back.Just like Kailea said constant phoning up and asking helps loads free PLs for all yay

[Kailea]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

/CHEER I got my account back.Just like Kailea said constant phoning up and asking helps loads free PLs for all yay

its all about who can be more annoying ;p

[Kurb]

Re: Rally 'round to send Square-Enix a message!

True.But I do hate playing the annoying customer God knows I've seen enough of them.That being said completly different situation.Still happy as Larry here

[Evion]

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It looks like you should join that guy's quest then Aks... Good luck to you.
I don't personally know anyone that was banned, but I do know plenty of people that have reason to be banned lol. Even still, I think SE's banning is a little much. They will NEVER be able to eliminate RMT, period. Never. There will ALWAYS be players that will buy in-game money becuase they don't have the time, resources, experience, knowledge, connections, or whatever else to make "enough" in the game. Where there are buyers, there are sellers. In this case, what is the point of the whole RMT banning project by SE?
Them banning players that found loop-holes in their own programming reallly pisses me off to no end. Now that's a real offense by SE.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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It looks like you should join that guy's quest then Aks... Good luck to you.
I don't personally know anyone that was banned, but I do know plenty of people that have reason to be banned lol. Even still, I think SE's banning is a little much. They will NEVER be able to eliminate RMT, period. Never. There will ALWAYS be players that will buy in-game money becuase they don't have the time, resources, experience, knowledge, connections, or whatever else to make "enough" in the game. Where there are buyers, there are sellers. In this case, what is the point of the whole RMT banning project by SE?
Them banning players that found loop-holes in their own programming reallly pisses me off to no end. Now that's a real offense by SE.

If you're able to find a way to put extra hours on the clock at your job without the company you work for knowing it and make extra money, should they fire your ass after someone else points out the issue and they look into it?

Uh, yeah. You were cheating them of money you didn't earn, you didn't point out the problem in the system and its part of your job as an employee to report problems.

But you think because this is "just a game" that we shouldn't be held to real ethics, just whatever we can rationalize. If someone did this sort of shit to your property, you would be outraged and want to exact punishment if it was within your power to do so.

[Nuriko]

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Them banning players that found loop-holes in their own programming reallly pisses me off to no end. Now that's a real offense by SE.

There's a difference between the dupe bans (the "one drops, get multiple" sort of thing) and the gardening bans (grow things, sell to NPC), I think. Granted that the second might be considered a loophole, but the first is a blatant exploit.

[Vyuru]

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And it's already been proven that the RMT-PWNER banned gardening mules of legit players.

1) We only have their word that they were legit players.

2) Even if they were legit players, what comes across quite commonly is that they had their main character, 15 gardening mules, or whatever the max number of mules is for an accout (I think 16 characters total) as well as an additional account with another 16 gardening mules on it. Now it depends on what you garden, but that is the potential for 700k+ per week, averaged out. Now what legit player needs 700k+ per week income? Granted, their account and they should be able to do whatever they want with it, but even so, tell me this does not look like some potential RMT account.

While I agree with Aksannyi that it sucks that SE can ban you for whatever reason, if you are going that far out with gardening mules then you have to realise that you're in the potential for trouble.

And another thing, how many "legit" players got caught up in the duping bans? It's entirely possible that these players either did something, or were part of something that SE didn't approve of, not gardening per se, and they only think they got banned for gardening.

It proves that all their methods still aren't stopping the sale of gil.

The price per million of gil tells another story.

Pet Food Alpha did it, so can we!

PFA is not a website that I would care to emulate.

Others were banned for selling to certain NPCs frequented by gilsellers.

Correction, others were banned after creating a new level 1 account and selling an item to the NPC frequented by gil sellers probably within 10 minutes of the account's activation.

Again with the, can you act more like a gil seller? And then the person goes around saying to beware of selling things to this NPC? Foolishness.

You acknowledge
and agree that, except as otherwise provided by Applicable Law or in our Cardholder
Agreement with you, Frost Bank shall not be liable for any loss or damage arising from your
failure to comply with this TOS.

So what this says is:

Frost Bank will not be liable to you if you fail to comply with the TOS, unless there is some law or condition in the agreement that countermands this.

TOS summary:

You are responsible for your shit.
You agree not to sell off your account to another person.
You must tell them as soon as you notice or realize that you lost your card, if someone steals your card, or if there is any unauthorized usage of your verification information.

Follow the above TOS and Frost Bank will recompense you for damages and lost money.

Oh, those fucking bastards.

[Aksannyi]

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That's great Kurb.

I don't care enough to try anymore. I called more than enough times. I shouldn't have gotten banned in the first place, though, and the first time I called they should have been able to look at my account activity and see that.

[Evion]

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Stealing company pay is stealing and everyone KNOWS it. Using poorly programmed software is.... using poorly programmed software, not stealing. You're not stealing anything so they are not the same. If SE specifically said to all players: If at any time you find a glitch in the game and you benefit from it you are cheating and will be banned, then it would be different. Who decides what gliches are a breech of ToS or not? They do't tell us! How about the other way? They say: If at any time you find a glitch in the game and it screws your time, money, item drop, etc, then fuck off! So we get screwed either way? Didn't anyone ever tell SE when he was a kid that he can't have it both ways? Or, he can't have his cake and eat it too?

[Aksannyi]

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You are supposed to read the ToS before playing. True, few actually do, but when you click that "Accept" button when fullscreen comes up, you're accepting the ToS.

Duping was an unfair advantage. I hate Salvage drop rates as much as anyone else, but it definitely pissed me off that some people got finished sets for their whole group in the time it took me to get even 1. (Which I never uncursed because they're the worst piece in the set and I had better things to spend my gil on, but that's beside the point.)

Gardening of course is not against the ToS, but if it looks like you're using it to sell a lot of gil, I can see how the automated program picked up on that. And with yesterday's maintenance (which I still didn't see a thread on, though I haven't checked yet today) they made it so that a new character may not harvest more than one item per flowerpot until 90 days after their creation. Seems SE is taking that seriously, and this should fix some of the mule problems for legit players.

This still doesn't really cover my issue though. It seems so obvious to me that I'm not trying to fraud them out of anything, and I would hope from the posts I've made on this issue most of you would agree with me. I don't expect you to believe me on this, but I am being honest when describing what's taken place on the account, and this is why I don't understand the action taken on it. Again, I'm tired of trying, it's clear to me that I'm not going to get anyone who will listen or attempt to help me, and I've been as nice (though firm) as I can without resorting to cussing them out or the like. They basically tell me "The action taken on this account is final and there's nothing I can do," asking for a supervisor gets me the same response. I'm tired of it. The phone calls are costing me money I can't afford to spend and I'm just not going to do it anymore.

[Vyuru]

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Who decides what gliches are a breech of ToS or not? They do't tell us!

Are you naive enough to think that SE left glitches in the game knowingly?

And there is that little clause in the TOS that says not to take advantage of any glitches that we may find and to report them.

Pretty it up all you want, but taking advantage of the system and glitches is not simply "taking advantage of poor software programming" as you put it.