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  • #91
    Re: Epic Augments are Epic

    I'm sorry. I didn't realize we were using scientific, empirical analyses today.

    Ok, look here: everybody bitches about their shitty items. Of the massive amount of numbers who play (I would pull a number out of my ass, but apparently that'll get me in trouble), we see a handful of screenshots of decent items. And we call them "epic". hint: STR+2 on a Hagun would require hours of parsing to see a difference. And even then, it could be chalked up to random variance. And you'll find any mathematical-minded person will back me up on that.

    What's that tell you? Thousands bitching, dozens of "ok. cool". You can do the math.

    Your NM analogy makes sense. I'll admit that. It'd be easier to swallow if S-E had told us they were giving us an item gamble system. Read: we'd all just avoid it from the get-go instead of being conned out of our gear.

    Of course, your analogy assumes a ratio of gil:time. If I camp X NM for 3 hours straight (not as bad as lots make it out to be. a window every 15-30 mins? You realize how easy it is to play a console RPG while camping Aspid?) without getting drop, it's equivalent to Y amount of gil tossed. But I'm not sure how I feel about 4-8 hours to obtain a Moldavite, vs losing O Kote when it comes back with -3 STR.

    And seriously, I want to trade expensive items. Who the fuck is going to enhance a dhalmel mantle for fear of making their Forager's worse? Our end game community has precious few slots that can be augmented. Those that can, are expensive. This represents more than a gamble -- this is a return to farming. And I'm never going to farm another day of my life.

    ---------- Post added at 05:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:04 PM ----------

    Unrelated: if you fail the final Moogle BCNM, you have to do this whole quest over again: A Challenge! You Could Be a Winner - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more.

    I suppose I'm bitching if I say that's poor game design, too?
    Last edited by Lmnop; 07-26-2009, 09:23 AM.
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    • #92
      Re: Epic Augments are Epic

      Even while camping Aspid you can knock out some FoV but it's not that many tabs. And people always say, "IT'S 3 HOURS OF YOUR LIFE."

      Not always, sometimes they pop early. Sometimes they don't. I sit there the whole time though, because killing it (or just making fun of the group killing it) is fun to do. People look down their noses on people who camp kings but honestly, it's not as bad as people make it. The system itself is flawed, but it is how it is. Three hours does indeed suck when it decides to go last interval, but the first and second int pops make up for it.
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      • #93
        Re: Epic Augments are Epic

        Not to mention how much it helped me catch up on Dexter.
        "And if he left off dreaming about you, where do you suppose you'd be?"

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        • #94
          Re: Epic Augments are Epic

          I did homework between windows.

          Unfortunately, the ones where I planned to do all of my homework during windows always pop early and then I wouldn't get my work done until like 5 AM because I run around doing other things and forget said homework.

          Whewps.
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          • #95
            Re: Epic Augments are Epic

            We live among masochists here Aky
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            • #96
              Re: Epic Augments are Epic

              And not even the good kind.
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              • #97
                Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                Yeah, but you don't lose anything from killing him
                You lose a possible three hours of your life to:

                (a) get claim and get the drop.
                (b) get claim and not get the drop.
                (c) get claim, lose claim and watch another LS get the drop.
                (d) get claim, lose claim and watch another LS not get the drop.
                (e) get claim and another LS tries to lag you out so they can get claim and the drops.
                (f) trying to lag another LS out that has claim.
                (g) watch an undermanned LS hold the HNM while getting the rest of their LS to gather.

                Any way we cut it, a few hours a day can be lost to this. Call it a gamble, some treat it like a sport. I call it what it is - a waste of my precious time.

                Originally posted by Lmnop
                Your NM analogy makes sense. I'll admit that. It'd be easier to swallow if S-E had told us they were giving us an item gamble system.
                Sadly, that would require someone that knows English very well to write the update notes.

                Even so, you have to put up your item to even do the fight. That's a bet as plain as day.
                Last edited by Omgwtfbbqkitten; 07-26-2009, 11:13 AM.

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                • #98
                  Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                  Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                  Any way we cut it, a few hours a day can be lost to this. Call it a gamble, some treat it like a sport. I call it what it is - a waste of my precious time.
                  QFT. Seriously @-@ (but then technically the game itself is a waste of time lol if you really wanna argue semantics)
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                  • #99
                    Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                    FoV Augments mostly suck? Breaking News! (And anybody who has seen last Wednesday's Daily Show would agree with me.)

                    Here's a radical thought: if you think that the entire system is nothing but a random waste of x, then how about you just, /gasp, not do it? You could save a lot of x that you could use for any of the myriad of other things you can do in this game! As it stands now you're not exactly gimped without that Accuracy+5 augmented on your cape, and from what I've heard the guy who got it was pimped to high heaven and back already anyway.

                    Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                    All I can say is that the Eagles put it best...

                    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ORwO5xDUE"]YouTube - Get Over It (Eagles)[/ame]
                    Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-26-2009, 11:13 AM.
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
                    GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                    REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                    GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                    THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
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                    • Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                      [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tl-c1PusrM"]YouTube - OK Go - Get Over It[/nomedia]

                      I prefer this one.

                      That said,

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                      • Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                        I just think it's entirely shitty that I have a chance to effectively ruin an item from a system that was - from all the information they gave us leading up to it - supposed to improve our gear. Even non-useful + augments are not ruining an item. I think that's pretty fucked.

                        Nothing I can say will convince anyone I suppose, but I really think they missed the mark here. I think that some of the things I said before - lack of resell capabilities, possibility to purchase something again and retry - are enough of a risk to take. Hell, on some of the more expensive things I might even just take the +Light resist and leave it, screw trying again. But risking making my item worse is bullshit. I'm never going to change my mind there.
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                        • Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                          Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                          I just think it's entirely shitty that I have a chance to effectively ruin an item from a system that was - from all the information they gave us leading up to it - supposed to improve our gear.
                          That's why they kept it limited to items up to level 50 at first so we'd all know how crappy it was. Granted, some guy ruined a perfectly good Sniper's Ring somewhere along the way, but still.

                          Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                          Nothing I can say will convince anyone I suppose,
                          You seemed to have convinced Malacite. But was it really a surprise that he of all people would join with whoever was whining?

                          Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                          I think that some of the things I said before
                          And said before. And said before. And said before yet again.

                          Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                          I'm never going to change my mind there.
                          Yes, we're all aware. You can rest your case now.
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                          REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                          GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                          THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                          Matthew 16:15

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                          • Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                            I wouldn't keep talking if people didn't keep missing my point. Not necessarily you, but a few people just weren't getting it. I have said it to death though.
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                            • Re: Epic Augments are Epic

                              Originally posted by Aksannyi View Post
                              I wouldn't keep talking if people didn't keep missing my point. Not necessarily you, but a few people just weren't getting it. I have said it to death though.
                              no not missing your point, finding your point, and solution horrible -.-

                              I don't want a kiddy game like WoW ok

                              this is a grown up game, unlike WoW

                              you can fail in synthisis
                              you can loose EXP
                              you can level down
                              you can get bad augments from quests.


                              deal with it or GTFO
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                                Originally posted by Kailea View Post
                                no not missing your point, finding your point, and solution horrible -.-

                                I don't want a kiddy game like WoW ok

                                this is a grown up game, unlike WoW

                                you can fail in synthisis
                                you can loose EXP
                                you can level down
                                you can get bad augments from quests.


                                deal with it or GTFO
                                You can do missions for an hour and fail, and have to repeat it many many times.

                                You can farm for hours on end just to get an item, to have it be horribly augmented.

                                You can have a great drop in end game, and have it taken away because some ass lots it higher on you, even when the leader has said it was your drop.

                                I deal with it, but FFXI should give us something, rather than give us crap when we spend 5 HOURS FARMING TABS, AND 7 HOURS FARMING MONEY SO THAT WE CAN AUGMENT AN ITEM, JUST TO HAVE IT AUGMENTED TO A HORRIBLE ITEM!

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