SE Strikes Again! (Obtaining Mythic Weapons)

[Caspian]

Re: SE Strikes Again!

Let's take a step back, take a deep breath, and count to ten before posting.

And to reiterate: I agree it sucks that he lost the full pop-set. Maybe if he only lost half of what he needed or something to make another attempt less painful to get to. However, when you try to be the first to do anything, you have to realize that this is always a chance that something is gonna happen and you're not gonna get it, with a chance to lose a lot of what you had before the attempt. Its an inherent risk that often comes with being on the bleeding edge.

[Ayrlie]

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given that SE = evil empire, they'll do anything to screw good peeps over

[BurningPanther]

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Wait.

Wasn't there a Japanese player with completed Kenkonken somewhere? Or did he only complete up to Balrahn?

[Yellow Mage]

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Wasn't there a Japanese player with completed Kenkonken somewhere?

There was, last time I checked. Malacite was not informed of this would be my first guess.

Though, on the other hand, I would wonder how one goes through BG without seeing the news that the first Mythic Weapon owner was a Puppetmaster. I rarely visit it myself, but I would guess that they would be all over something like that.

[Vyuru]

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And if the fellow's Zeni LS has any sense of camaraderie and or teamwork, or perhaps since this fellow has the popset he may even be in charge of it, he'll have another popset in pretty short order.

Yes that's alot of work to go through, but /shrug

He was that close to becoming the proud owner of the first completed Mythic weapon on any server only to be set back weeks if not months before another attempt is even possible because he screwed it up.

Fixed.

It's the rare person that is able to win a fight first time through. It's not necessarily SE's fault that he lost at 1%. When CoP first came out, did the first group to make it to the airship fight win the first time? What about Diabolo? The list can go on. The point being that it is rare for someone to beat something the first time with no prior info.

So the current theory is you need to switch out to the Vigil weapon. I haven't read what he tried and I haven't seen the vid, so I'm assuming he didn't try that. So why didn't he try it? Given how obtaining a relic works I'd be betting that something similar may be at work here and I'd have gone in prepared for that, why wasn't he?

[BurningPanther]

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There was, last time I checked. Malacite was not informed of this would be my first guess.

Though, on the other hand, I would wonder how one goes through BG without seeing the news that the first Mythic Weapon owner was a Puppetmaster. I rarely visit it myself, but I would guess that they would be all over something like that.

Don't blame Malacite, he only read the BG thread, he didn't start it.

And before everyone disses him, they should take the time to read the thread. At any rate, he wouldn't be the first to flip out over this BLU's defeat at Balrahn. What this means is that if there's a PUP out there with unlocked Kenkonken, then Balrahn is beatable, and that everyone in that thread is Q_Q over nothing, of which Mal was hardly the first.

However, if that PUP's Kenkonken is not fully unlocked and he hasn't faced Balrahn, then it's possible that this poor putz just lost a pop item to the devs' sadism.

[Malacite]

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For the last fucking time, I was beefing that the guy had to spam ZNM T4's again (likely for months) just to even try this again. I don't care that he lost at 1% (though it is a point of interest as to how to beat the fight) I care that if anyone screws up you will not have another shot at it for months.

That is sheer bullshit when you consider the monumental effort it takes just to reach that point and it borders on sadism. It's like being 1 space from the goal in a game of "Sorry" only to get knocked back 20+ squares >_> Tizona just happens to be one of the weapons I'm considering attempting since RotZ relics are vastly inferior from the initial test info we've recently garnered. On that note, so far the only fail Mythic Weapons seems to be BLM's (surprise surprise ...) as the testing from Fan Fest indicates all it does is save inventory space and the boost to Elemental Seal is a 10% damage increase. God forbid the ES effect last for every spell you cast for the one minute, making it a game-breaking weapon and thus actually worth the effort it takes to get the fucking thing.


And this is the first I've heard of this PUP. Where are the screens? The proof? At least the BLU in question was visible in the thread.

Why isn't there a huge influx of info at the JP Wiki or Studio Gobli?


Finally it wouldn't kill some of you to come down from your elitist high horses and try to have a serious, civil discussion. I try not to make a point of attacking people unless they've thrown the first blow (which is usually the case on these threads.)

I came here to escape that crap from Alla and yet so many of you are just as childish.

[Raydeus]

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Whoah that really sucks. How much time will it take for the guy to even try again?

[Lmnop]

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When CoP first came out, did the first group to make it to the airship fight win the first time? What about Diabolo? The list can go on. The point being that it is rare for someone to beat something the first time with no prior info.

This would be akin to losing the CoP 6-4 airship fight and getting kicked back to the 30 cap promies every time.

This sort of time sink is an artificial means of increasing difficulty. There's nothing intelligent about it. I'm not gonna cry a river. I'm saying flat out: this is a cop-out design that belongs in the time of SNES games.

[ruffrydasean]

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On that note, so far the only fail Mythic Weapons seems to be BLM's (surprise surprise ...) as the testing from Fan Fest indicates all it does is save inventory space and the boost to Elemental Seal is a 10% damage increase. God forbid the ES effect last for every spell you cast for the one minute, making it a game-breaking weapon and thus actually worth the effort it takes to get the fucking thing.

Are you fuckin serious? so my Relic and Mythic isnt worth a damn. That's bullshit SE.

I understand.. my dmg comes from spells but christsakes, I'm not askin for the dly of a dagger with dmg of a scythe.

Like Malacite said.. make it worth the damn effort.

[Armando]

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Finally it wouldn't kill some of you to come down from your elitist high horses and try to have a serious, civil discussion. I try not to make a point of attacking people unless they've thrown the first blow (which is usually the case on these threads.)

It's not a matter of elitism or high horses. You really are awful at naming threads. It would be nice to know what the thread's about before I open it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Awful at naming threads with a natural habit of blowing everything out of proportion.

When something is new, you can expect there might be a few problems. Remember they had to adjust Nyzul and then the Alexandrite drop rate just to make Mythic practical to start with.

Also remember how everyone complained about Relic Weapons and that they were essentially bought with billions and billions of gil that was difficult for most players to make? You didn't expect that SE would give up Mythic without a little sadism first, did you?

So there's some other criteria for beating the fight, could vary from job to job for all we know at this point. Sucks he lost the PW pop set, but SE is notorious for not refunding lost pop sets. I knew JoL pop sets that were lost because Odin's sea zones crashed one day. SE didn't refund there, either. Oh well.

[Malacite]

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This sort of time sink is an artificial means of increasing difficulty. There's nothing intelligent about it. I'm not gonna cry a river. I'm saying flat out: this is a cop-out design that belongs in the time of SNES games.

THANK YOU

It's not a matter of elitism or high horses. You really are awful at naming threads. It would be nice to know what the thread's about before I open it.

Yeah fair enough, I'll concede that. I still think the title is fine, but I probably should have mentioned it in brackets or something. I have no problems with SE making the final BC a difficult mystery. Hell I welcome that, this game sorely needs more creative challenges aside from "Throw more of X job at Y enemy" or "Make sure you come loaded with millions of gil in meds/tools"


It's that slap in the face of taking away the Tier 4 trigs that I strongly object to. It's just bad design and there's no defending it.


Think about it; this person is obviously already a determined hardcore player otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to come this far. So why then, do they feel it necessary to bilk his time further by adding insult to injury in the event of a failure? Yes, the items should be lost if he wins but there's no need to make him lose the triggers, that's just stupid.

Instead, why give some kind of key item in exchange for the triggers in similar fashion to ENMs? Make it so that if he fails, he still can't enter the BC again for a predetermined amount of time (A week at the most) but without the need to farm those triggers again.


Now, it's not like we'll be killing PW any time soon for that matter but that's not the point. Nothing else in the game makes you wait months between attempts. It's arbitrary, it's stupid, and it's a large proponent to the influx of WoW players over FFXI. News flash SE; people have busy lives. It's not that we don't like a good hard challenge but we would appreciate it if you could use your heads for once and make something hard while not violating your own god damned disclaimer!


EDIT: While I occasionally beef with you two (BBQ and Armando) I appreciate the maturity in your responses.

[Armando]

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Now, it's not like we'll be killing PW any time soon for that matter but that's not the point. Nothing else in the game makes you wait months between attempts. It's arbitrary, it's stupid, and it's a large proponent to the influx of WoW players over FFXI. News flash SE; people have busy lives. It's not that we don't like a good hard challenge but we would appreciate it if you could use your heads for once and make something hard while not violating your own god damned disclaimer!

Solution: Don't go after a mythic. They weren't meant for people with lives.

[Raydeus]

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No kidding.

I still find it odd for someone to be willing to sacrifice so much time for an item that isn't even worth 1/100th of the time spent. Even more so when cosidering there are much faster-to-get items that are pretty close to these so called "ultimate" weapons.