Best party setup for Nyzul, and why?

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Best party setup for Nyzul, and why?

Actually, I seem to recall we got a white magic pathos on a single floor where the target was a mousse in the next room. Might be misremembering, I also recall us getting through a no-ninjutsu floor, I think it was lamps...

Hey now! That mousse was tough!! And...and you can't turn your back on those lamps.......you never know!!

[Aksannyi]

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The problem is, on lamps floors, even if you think "This'll be easy, even with pathos!" you'll still get some tard to aggro half the zone.

[Lmnop]

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oooooooooh shit and on that note of advice, a little Nyzul tip: Activating time/order lamps will drop all aggro you have. If you can time it between a mob's swings you can deaggro it and move out of aggro range, letting you get your sneak/invis back up, or you can Sleep it then hit the lamp and when it wakes up it will leave you alone.

I had this happen back before I got a static (was in a pick-up group like floor 7). And here I was thinking it must've just been a glitch. Thanks for the heads up (or confirmation. Either way).

[eticket109]

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To add to the earlier discussion, my static has never done a run without a tank. 99% of the time we use a ninja but I've gone PLD for a couple tags as well. I strongly recommend a tank for 60+ bosses, but I guess for mid-climb non-boss farming it doesn't really make a difference.

Typically we go NIN, DRG, THF, BRD, WHM, BLM or SMN. We'll change it up a bit if static members are unavailable, but that's usually the setup.

In the end, jobs mean nothing compared to communication and people being able to do what they're told. Lamp floors can be a nightmare if just one person isn't on the same page as everyone else.

Overall, my static has earned 8 runic keys. The first four were done back when you could only climb one at a time. One guy left and I've cycled in and out to let others climb.

[hexx]

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The Nyzul team I run with consists of: RDM x2, WAR (me), BLU, THF, and PLD and altho we have a PLD tank, we tend to go thru floors decently fast. Hell, I think we have managed to bring down the floor 20-40 bosses in about 5 min or so. On a good run, how much time do yall have left usually? If any of course =P

[Mezlo]

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I've been on 8 runs now, and only made it through on one of them, it was through floor 20, and ew had like 30 secs left. It was a pickup party... My static has yet to get the hang of it and make it through... ; ;

[TheGrandMom]

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Don't worry Mezlo, sometimes it takes time until all the members gel with one another. So hang in there!

[Nuriko]

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Still on floor 0 here, and probably destined to stay that way for quite some time. It's not like any of the shouts look for 1-5, and the only time I tried to organize such a run, we failed miserably once we went in...

[hexx]

Re: Best party setup for Nyzul, and why?

Don't worry Mezlo, sometimes it takes time until all the members gel with one another. So hang in there!

QFT here, it took my team a while to also get the hang of it, but once we did, we started flying thru floors. Give your static some time, do your research, and merit some of those abilities and stats so yall get better

[Lmnop]

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It should be noted... sometimes it might just be easier to let the static die. This may not be an option, I understand.

My first static never got through floor 10. We broke after using about 9 tags. About 5 weeks later, I formed a new static. We didn't lose a single run 'til floor 55.

What causes a static to go wrong? Well, hard to say for sure. But a lot of times, "too many chefs in the kitchen" can really screw you over. Also, between statics, I did a few runs with pick-up groups. I found something very interesting: things went smoother without Ventrillo. In particular, lamp floors should always have some sort of text in party chat notating who's at what lamps and when they selected them, and when they went off. Trying to do all of this over vent is a recipe for disaster.

[Mezlo]

Re: Best party setup for Nyzul, and why?

It should be noted... sometimes it might just be easier to let the static die. This may not be an option, I understand.

My first static never got through floor 10. We broke after using about 9 tags. About 5 weeks later, I formed a new static. We didn't lose a single run 'til floor 55.

What causes a static to go wrong? Well, hard to say for sure. But a lot of times, "too many chefs in the kitchen" can really screw you over. Also, between statics, I did a few runs with pick-up groups. I found something very interesting: things went smoother without Ventrillo. In particular, lamp floors should always have some sort of text in party chat notating who's at what lamps and when they selected them, and when they went off. Trying to do all of this over vent is a recipe for disaster.

I see where you're coming from, but this doesn't apply to my static what-so-ever. We formed 3 years ago at level 25, meeting only once a week for 3 hours. We've full merited our initial jobs, CoP complete, Zilart complete, ToA lolComplete, chief seargant Assault going to captain. We are basically a family.

TGM said it best, we just need to learn the Nyzul layout and how each floor plan works and go from there. It will definitely come with time. We each have 3-5 level 75 jobs, I'm just trying to figure out what the best Nyzul party setup would be. As of now I think we'll be going with: SAM/NIN X 2, TH4, WAR/NIN, WHM, RDM.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Best party setup for Nyzul, and why?

It should be noted... sometimes it might just be easier to let the static die. This may not be an option, I understand.

My first static never got through floor 10. We broke after using about 9 tags. About 5 weeks later, I formed a new static. We didn't lose a single run 'til floor 55.

What causes a static to go wrong? Well, hard to say for sure. But a lot of times, "too many chefs in the kitchen" can really screw you over. Also, between statics, I did a few runs with pick-up groups. I found something very interesting: things went smoother without Ventrillo. In particular, lamp floors should always have some sort of text in party chat notating who's at what lamps and when they selected them, and when they went off. Trying to do all of this over vent is a recipe for disaster.

While I understand why some people might reform, I'm personally against it unless absolutely necessary. My current static took several weeks to gel. We went through a few people too. One made a mistake that was pretty darn bad and felt bad over it so he left. Another person just started not showing up so we would seek a pick up for him every week. It seems now we have a permanent replacement for him.....and he's taru! W00T! The good stick together and the impatient weed themselves out over time.

As for too many chefs in the pot, I agree. One thing that really impressed me is our leader and how he's dealt with that. We've had people badger him with their ideas but he's stood strong with his convictions and proven that his way works. I had previous Nyzul experience but I kept my mouth shut so things would go smoothly. Everyone needs to fall down in order to get back up and know how to do it. I think this is the best thing to do instead of trying to force your way of thinking/your ideas onto them.

Patience......statics take a lot of patience.

[Lmnop]

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Incidentally, of my old static, 3 of us became the new static. The remaining 3? 2 haven't really been playing, and the other (the biggest offender of trying to steamroll our logic with her own) found a new static and seems to be doing quite well. So it's pretty much all worked out (right down to the fact that were we still with the old group, we'd be down 2 people from MIA complex).

[Lunaryn]

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Yeah, it took several botched runs for our static to get the hang of it and finally hit floor 5, and I was actually a rep for a member who didn't work out. One of the most important things is that it really be static as much as possible (if you're seeking reps for different people constantly that's going to affect things); even if you can't manage to get the exact same 6 people every time, having a core of 4-5 people who show up reliably makes a very big difference. Another important thing is to have a clear setup in terms of authority/discipline once actually in the run. Probably our most chaotic run since we did get the hang of Nyzul was when one of our reps for a 96-100 run who had experience from another group tried to act like he was in charge of the run. This does not go well no matter how well-intentioned; people get confused on whose instructions to listen to, or whether a question they've just asked has been answered authoritatively.

Aside from that, the attitude of the individuals is going to be important. FFXI these days is full of a lot of loners who think they know what's the best thing for themselves to be doing at all times. They may or may not know their jobs well, but people who take offense to being asked to change or participate in group strategy can be a burden regardless. You need to be on your toes and ready to make quick decisions, but if the leader makes a decision regarding your role and time's short, you have to respond to that decision now, and save the debate for between runs or at least a less hectic floor.

Also, don't be impatient to get in. Once you get inside, you have 30 minutes to accomplish your goals, and the floors can sometimes be horrendously stacked against you. It's far better to take 5 minutes clearing up any ambiguities about plan, policies, and practices before that timer is running than to try to coordinate confused players under a strict time limit. Explaining lamp floor procedure to newcomers or deciding who needs to buy what meds in the lobby needs to happen before you enter, not after.

[Mog]

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Floors 1-20 are the worst. It takes people awhile to get used to Nyzul Isle and what works best for them. I know my group had a little trouble at the beginning, but once we figured out the structure, it was a breeze.