Kanican's AV strategy

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but am I the only one reading these blog posts as a giant sign that reads:

"OHEY S-E, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIX AV, YOU MIGHT AS WELL FIX THESE POTENTIAL ABUSES AS WELL BEFORE ANYBODY ACTUALLY KILLS AV WITH THEM!!!!!"?

[Armando]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

Not really. They would have to give AV a zone-wide Draw In, or something stupid like letting him nuke you from anywhere in the zone, or letting him pos hack to you, to stop this strategy. This one doesn't even use anything questionable like the "see-through" wall.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

. . . Or S-E could just totally screw with the way Enmity works, at least for AV. Didn't hear it from me though. >_>;

[Lunaryn]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

Again, I don't see any particular reason to assume that SE did not intend for kiting w/ Shadowbind to be available and play some role in strategy aside from them not explicitly showing it in the video. It seems like most of the "exploit!" detractors are either fixating on a terrain detail being invoked, or more commonly simply working from one of the following assumptions:

1) SE does not intend to allow AV to be killed by players.
2) SE does not intend to allow AV to be killed by players within a reasonable timeframe (which is counter to their recent announcement regarding PW/AV/JoL, though I don't buy that the fight exceeded their idea of a reasonable battle length so much as they suddenly realized they could get lots of bad PR for the lengths they originally had in mind on some mobs).
3) SE does not intend to allow AV to be killed by players employing any strategy besides the precise strategy devised by the development team and "documented" in the video. Variations and innovations will not be tolerated.

Seeing as there are legitimate reasons why both of the known AV patches could represent exploit fixes (a literally-impassable wall preventing the mob from even functioning, and very possibly an AI bug wrt previous locking methods), I don't think any of these are well-founded assumptions.

[Feenicks]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

It's a great proposal, but the truth is that no one is going to take on this strategy. There's absolutely no reason to fight AV now that we know something is going to happen to it after the September update, so it's really pointless to try to develop a working strategy at this stage in my opinion.

[Armando]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

It's a great proposal, but the truth is that no one is going to take on this strategy. There's absolutely no reason to fight AV now that we know something is going to happen to it after the September update, so it's really pointless to try to develop a working strategy at this stage in my opinion.

Whatever SE does probably won't change this strategy's effectiveness.

Even if you were right, that's just incentive to try, not to not try. If there's a chance you can beat AV now but won't be able to after the change, wouldn't you want to beat him while you can?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

If there's a chance you can beat AV now but won't be able to after the change, wouldn't you want to beat him while you can?

I'd give anybody wanting to try this about 5 days left.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

It seems like most of the "exploit!" detractors are either fixating on a terrain detail being invoked, or more commonly simply working from one of the following assumptions:

...

3) SE does not intend to allow AV to be killed by players employing any strategy besides the precise strategy devised by the development team and "documented" in the video. Variations and innovations will not be tolerated.

Well, I think the change:

Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden will now vanish two hours after their appearance, automatically ending the battle.

qualifies as "you beat these NMs the way we want you to beat them, or you don't beat them at all".

[Gobo]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

Seeing as AV now draws in if you try to pull it out of the JoL alcove, this strat is unfortunately no longer viable.

lowest people have gotten it to was 82%, HP is now ~66k (for comparison, Salvage chariots are 50k), spells/JAs are more survivable when used one at a time, but Manafont->Meteor and Chainspell->Comet still rape.

*I really need to go to bed...bad night of sleep+8 am Biosynthesis and Physiology/9 am Physical Chem class+long ass biking session=1 tired nerd, but update days are so exciting.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

Seeing as AV now draws in if you try to pull it out of the JoL alcove, this strat is unfortunately no longer viable.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but am I the only one reading these blog posts as a giant sign that reads:

"OHEY S-E, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIX AV, YOU MIGHT AS WELL FIX THESE POTENTIAL ABUSES AS WELL BEFORE ANYBODY ACTUALLY KILLS AV WITH THEM!!!!!"?

You know which four words I absolutely hate to use in succession?

I. Told. You. So.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

You know which four words I absolutely hate to use in succession?

I. Told. You. So.

OMG I lol'd so hard!!

[Malacite]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

BEHOLD!!!

Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08 - Page 19 - Order of the Blue Gartr





The Bastard is no longer immortal!

[Gobo]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

And its down..

Order of the Blue Gartr - View Single Post - Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

Everything but GK sin dropped. This will probably get nerfed in the near future, but hey, AVs dead again, so Whoopie!

[Ziero]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

From one of the strongest mobs in game to another less-then-a-minute-zerg-bitch in one update

....I think that kinda sucks honestly

[Taskmage]

Re: Kanican's AV strategy

Kraken drks! Of course! Why didn't we think of that before? Oh what fools we were this whole time coming up with "strategies" and "theories" when the answer was sitting right there in front of us the whole time. Masterfully done, SE. What a truly well-designed and worthwhile piece of content.