So.. Pandemonium Warden

[Pteryx]

Re: So.. Pandemonium Warden

Does SE realize that there are 24 hours in a day and that human beings should sleep for 8 of them, leaving a maximum of 16 for any reasonable continuous activity?

Does SE realize that in a work situation, shifts longer than 12 hours are generally illegal?

Does SE realize that none of us are making money at this like they are? Or that eating healthy meals takes an investment of time (a few minutes, at least) and money?

Does SE realize that most linkshells are limited to a single time zone or tight range of them in order for people to meet at all, making the whole shift idea far less plausible? And that different shells tend to compete, not cooperate beyond what's necessary for them to play at all?

I usually don't resort to such language, but fuck this. If the shell I got invited to is still going to do PW, I'm writing off that friend of several years as a lost cause. -- Pteryx

[Ziero]

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And of course they were doing it wrong. They didn't swap people out during the fight, which makes the whole alliance exhausted and unwilling to fight.

BTL members have stated repeatedly that it wasn't the amount of time played that got them anyways, it was the whole roller-coaster effect of OMFG we're making progress > FUCK another form > OMFG the final form > FUCK Astral Flow > OMFG recover > FUCK all that work for nothing. That sort of increase/decrease in adrenaline is going to make anyone nauseated regardless of what they're doing.

Oh, well that just changes everything >_>
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Does SE realize that there are 24 hours in a day and that human beings should sleep for 8 of them, leaving a maximum of 16 for any reasonable continuous activity?

Does SE realize that in a work situation, shifts longer than 12 hours are generally illegal?

Does SE realize that none of us are making money at this like they are? Or that eating healthy meals takes an investment of time (a few minutes, at least) and money?

Does SE realize that most linkshells are limited to a single time zone or tight range of them in order for people to meet at all, making the whole shift idea far less plausible? And that different shells tend to compete, not cooperate beyond what's necessary for them to play at all?

I usually don't resort to such language, but fuck this. If the shell I got invited to is still going to do PW, I'm writing off that friend of several years as a lost cause. -- Pteryx

Do you realize you don't have to stay for the fight the entire 18 hours?

p.s. Endgame LSs have been working together on both AV and PW ever since they were added. NA, EU, JP, it doesn't matter as everyone just wants these things dead. If anything it's because of these two mobs that we're seeing people finally play as SE intended, as a team.

[Callisto]

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Well to a lesser extent, anyone who has ever had something they want drop, lotted a 945 for it...only to have someone lot a 972 a minute later has felt something similar. Same with anyone who has wiped to Ultima at 1%, who has just claimed an NM after hours/days/weeks of camping only to have it not drop.

Everyone's had the slightly queasy feeling from something like that, the ecstatic rush followed by giant letdown, it's the same thing but just multiplied many times from the stress of having to pay attention and fight the same thing for an extended period of time.

[Aksannyi]

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Exactly how I feel about it. What a letdown, to get so far like that.

[TheGrandMom]

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Must you hate on me? I mean I know I'm gorgeous and all, but really just b/c you cant have me does not condone any such rudeness on your part, so that being said please excuse me for not giving a shit about what some random person on a forum says =] Not to mention if you wish to take any of this talk further, go beat your head against a cement wall. You might be better off that way than getting me to respond any further to your incoherent remarks. You seem like a really troubled child, I hope you get that fixed =] Good day to you sir!

P.S. Dont replies like this just piss you off? dont they make you wanna respond back? ahahhahahahaa

Creepy emo outbursts much?...over absolutely nothing directed at you. Forget to take your haloperidol?




As far as any 18 hour fights, what really pisses me off is

A) If you do it in shifts, a LOT of people get the shaft. Only the people in the ally get the title. At the very least after spending 6ish hours of my time devoted to taking this bitch down, I at least want the f**king title!

B) Drops.....ya....how many do you think your ls will have to kill until everyone gets some epeen equip? Thats a WHOLE LOT of time to stick into a game for a digital piece of nothingness.

C) And just how often do you think your ls is going to be able to muster people to devote all this time to taking it down repeatedly? I'm thinking after the first time it goes down some people will probably think..."Ok I did it.....whoo...and NEVER AGAIN!" So rallying the troops to do it again will probably be a once in a blue moon event, so don't get your heart set on a title OR a drop anytime soon.

If people want to do it, fine go right ahead. Do I think its contrary to what SE's statement is about not forgetting about your family/job/pet/personal hygiene? Yes it is very much so and it doesn't matter what anyone else says either. IT IS.

[Aksannyi]

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C) And just how often do you think your ls is going to be able to muster people to devote all this time to taking it down repeatedly? I'm thinking after the first time it goes down some people will probably think..."Ok I did it.....whoo...and NEVER AGAIN!" So rallying the troops to do it again will probably be a once in a blue moon event, so don't get your heart set on a title OR a drop anytime soon.

This.

People don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. They got theirs, you're on your own to get yours. Unless linkshells make it a mandatory event where you are minusDKP'ed for not showing up, unless with prior notice, it won't happen too much. People aren't in this game to help each other.

[Callisto]

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True that, if AV were doable I would until Aureole dropped then I'd ninjar it and spend the rest of my time making use of the big hole in it.











Erm ok that came out wrong, I meant I would totally come back to help get more.

[TheGrandMom]

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This.

People don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. They got theirs, you're on your own to get yours. Unless linkshells make it a mandatory event where you are minusDKP'ed for not showing up, unless with prior notice, it won't happen too much. People aren't in this game to help each other.

Exactly. When my ls started up doing salvage (not a required event) I couldn't go because they did it late nights. Then they changed and started doing it earlier but I already saw the handwriting on the wall. Sure enough when certain people got the piece they wanted, POOF they were done. Of course, they went for these peoples pieces first since they were sacs/leader/or kiss ass of either of those. Then the people left whined and moaned constantly in ls about how they didn't understand why people didn't want to do salvage. Rinse and repeat for other events/NM's.

[Yellow Mage]

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Something to point out is that it's not all about drops. BTL went after PW for 18 hours straight with no idea what the heck he'd drop, and thus a lack of that flavor of motivation.

[Callisto]

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Something like Salvage is iffy for us, we don't mind getting gear for the entire group, but finding 8 people in our LS who we actually trust for an event like that will be hard. We do a pretty good job of rewarding those who sub in for our Nyzul group at least, since most of the rest of the LS was too apathetic to start a 2nd group without one of the officers running things.
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Something to point out is that it's not all about drops. BTL went after PW for 18 hours straight with no idea what the heck he'd drop, and thus a lack of that flavor of motivation.

Well since we know what items were added to the game and which of those are already dropped from ZNM/Sandworm BC's we can make a pretty educated guess.

[Yellow Mage]

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Well since we know what items were added to the game and which of those are already dropped from ZNM/Sandworm BC's we can make a pretty educated guess.

Even with an educated guess, going after PW just for what he may or may not drop is a crap shoot at best, a grandiose waste of time at worst.

[Ziero]

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As far as any 18 hour fights, what really pisses me off is

A) If you do it in shifts, a LOT of people get the shaft. Only the people in the ally get the title. At the very least after spending 6ish hours of my time devoted to taking this bitch down, I at least want the f**king title!

B) Drops.....ya....how many do you think your ls will have to kill until everyone gets some epeen equip? Thats a WHOLE LOT of time to stick into a game for a digital piece of nothingness.

C) And just how often do you think your ls is going to be able to muster people to devote all this time to taking it down repeatedly? I'm thinking after the first time it goes down some people will probably think..."Ok I did it.....whoo...and NEVER AGAIN!" So rallying the troops to do it again will probably be a once in a blue moon event, so don't get your heart set on a title OR a drop anytime soon.

These are the most valid and accurate complaints about these types of monsters I have ever read. It's also the biggest shame about these types of battles. If anything gets changed, it should be this.

[Anaki]

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has no one in this game done cop o.O? i thought cop bosses had tricks you had to do to beat them. yknow pee on mammets. mistmelts on ouryu. etc, etc. is it SO HARD to think that maybe yknow just maybe PW was not meant to be beaten by having 18 people go up to and and stab it till it dies. maybe it was designed so people would think of a strategy and try and find its weakness. or is the general ffxi populous to stupid to try something other then throw people at it and see what happens..

[Ziero]

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has no one in this game done cop o.O? i thought cop bosses had tricks you had to do to beat them. yknow pee on mammets. mistmelts on ouryu. etc, etc. is it SO HARD to think that maybe yknow just maybe PW was not meant to be beaten by having 18 people go up to and and stab it till it dies. maybe it was designed so people would think of a strategy and try and find its weakness. or is the general ffxi populous to stupid to try something other then throw people at it and see what happens..

People have tried many tricks, but nothing so far has worked. However there have only been a limited amount of attempts made on him so far.

[Caspian]

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YM, its not always about the drops.
The first LS to take him down gets to be the first LS to have ever taken him down. For a lot of the people doing it, that alone is worth it.
I still think they're borderline insane, but doing it to be the first is more of a reward than an ingame drop, imo.