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  • #16
    Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

    Originally posted by Balfree View Post
    Careful, from someone else's perspective, you're the one being inflammatory.

    People have told you how the game works, and this isn't the first thread you make regarding this issue either.

    Dual boxing isn't going to solve your problem because, later on, it won't help you any, so why not endure it now, take it slowly... learn the ropes, do some quests, get some exp while flagging for a PT, make some friends and it'll all spiral upwards eventually.

    You're treating FFXI like you treat all those MMOs you've played, and IMO, you shouldn't.

    Best of luck.
    None of my posts, aside from the last one, have been intended as heated or irritable. That last post was certainly heated. My previous ones were not.

    As for other posts on the subject, this is my first thread where I have asked about the partying in game. My other threads have asked about cooking guide (making juices for mages) and want to do to get started with funds etc, and what to do as an RDM.

    I was talking with one of the folks who has helped me out, and they said the same thing, in regards to treating ffxi like every other MMO. I don't think she or ya'll understood what I meant by dual boxing. My whole intent in thinking about it was simply to get this one character to 18 so I could get the subjob quest done and out of the way and finally actually be able to start fleshing out my character and actually experience the game. She started playing about 8 months ago, and would have quit had she not been pl'ed to the mid 20's on several jobs. I personally am not down for the "PL" side of things as I want to learn my job and how to do it productively. I'll end up having to join a PL group at some point I'm sure as it seems, at this level, the majority of PT's are made as such. A linkshell member who was leveling his thief last night was in a PT that had 3 PL's assisting. I was originally omw to join them when they dropped me to bring in someone with a Summon PL. What that means, I don't know. All I knew was I had wasted time I could have spent grinding out part of a level.

    What else more can I do as a newb keeping their flag up? I mean for 13 hours the other day it was up while I grinded exp or leveled my fishing and cooking. I'm proactive in sending tells to other people with their flags up but a) they don't respond b) don't speak english and quit after the first tell or c) don't want to group unless I have a PL even though they don't have one themselves. I could put together a group, but that fact that I don't know what classes/subclasses are good for grouping has put me off from that. I sent a tell to 3 folks this morning, each one responded they were just soloing. I get that a lot of folks solo to 20 then start grouping, and I could do that too, except I don't have the subjob to assist in doing so, like basically everyone else does. When I logged in this morning, there were several new people int he LS that were in my level range - I tried to get them together to do a group and each one of them refused unless a higher LS member had a PL to bring. Evidently they'd gotten a PL and got 3-4 levels and have refused to work for the rest. This is the reason I don't want to join PL groups because it only fosters that type of attitude with new players.

    From what I'm gathering, both on these forums and in game from the folks who have added me as a friend, I'm just getting the absolute crap luck of everything. A few of them are thinking about leveling some subjobs if they don't do NM's tonight, so maybe I can get lucky and run some groups with them.

    What seems to add to the difficulty, for me, is the lack of a congregation spot for server postings. Most forums I have visited are null n void with server talk, making meeting and planning things with others even harder. I certainly understand the key to getting parties is having and making friends, but like I've said this has been hard simply due to the lack of responses from others in game. I'm just going to keep chalking it up to crappy luck until the trial runs out, and hopefully by then something will have changed.

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    • #17
      Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

      Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
      Way to be an ass.
      That's what I do when people start throwing a fit in online forums.

      Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
      but I've been playing MMO's since 97. They're all the same, so you can get off your high horse at any point because the game isn't any different from EQ at its core - just different classes and different spells.
      This game is quite different from EQ and assuming that all MMOs are the same "at their cores" isn't the best way to approach this game.

      Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
      I didn't respond or act like I knew the very inner workings of the game - even if they are the same as basically every other mmo around.
      They aren't.

      Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
      Let me repeat that I do not -want- to go to Dunes. I WANT to get my subjob items taken care of asap though so I can get on with the game. I bought an emperor band last night and got to 17 - today I'll get to 18. I'm in an LS but they rarely ever PT so that's a wash. I don't know where to go to look to find other LS's aside from in game, and that's been a wash too as I simply haven't seen many that actually respond back. The way it looks now, I'll likely end up soloing to 20 as a rdm with no subjob - at what point do the dunes mobs become solable for a character with no subjob?
      Well, dunes or not, you're probably going to require the help of others to get your subjob items. It sounds like you haven't done much party play in the dunes so you probably don't have any of the items yet. I would estimate you'd need to be at least 22+ to solo the crabs and damselflys for the items, but to get the magicked skull, unless you wait until level 30, you will need help. Either ask one of the 75's that you've befriended or hang out in the dunes and shout for help or something.

      Originally posted by Skeeterlite
      What else more can I do as a newb keeping their flag up? I mean for 13 hours the other day it was up while I grinded exp or leveled my fishing and cooking. I'm proactive in sending tells to other people with their flags up but a) they don't respond b) don't speak english and quit after the first tell or c) don't want to group unless I have a PL even though they don't have one themselves.
      Well, you could just join some of the powerleveled groups. I used to take issue with PLs, but nowadays, I'm just trying to get through the teens and a PL makes it go faster.

      No one ever said FFXI was an overly easy MMO, especially to start out fresh. However, I've never really experienced issues to the degree you claim with getting a party in the dunes if I ever want one. I'm not saying it can't happen, but maybe it's just a stream of bad luck.

      My last advice: Don't play video games that just piss you off.




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      • #18
        Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

        Originally posted by Ameroth View Post
        That's what I do when people start throwing a fit in online forums.



        This game is quite different from EQ and assuming that all MMOs are the same "at their cores" isn't the best way to approach this game.



        They aren't.



        Well, dunes or not, you're probably going to require the help of others to get your subjob items. It sounds like you haven't done much party play in the dunes so you probably don't have any of the items yet. I would estimate you'd need to be at least 22+ to solo the crabs and damselflys for the items, but to get the magicked skull, unless you wait until level 30, you will need help. Either ask one of the 75's that you've befriended or hang out in the dunes and shout for help or something.

        No one ever said FFXI was an overly easy MMO, especially to start out fresh. However, I've never really experienced issues to the degree you claim with getting a party in the dunes if I ever want one. I'm not saying it can't happen, but maybe it's just a stream of bad luck.

        My last advice: Don't play video games that just piss you off.

        Like I said in my last post, it seems to have been a severe case of bad luck. The game doesn't piss me off, the community on Leviathan has. I have not done, - any- grouping in dunes, like I'd said because every invite I have gotten there has had me replaced otw over from mhaura to selb or the PT falls a part as I arrive. I don't think any of my posts, aside from the one directed at you, would have been taken as 'throwing a fit'. As far as I am concerned all games are the same at the cores. They are nothing more than glorified chat rooms to spend your time on. You get x level and achieve y item while talking and having fun with friends. That's the basis of virtual worlds, right? Most of my time so far has been spent cooking and fishing, while talking to the folks who have friended me. I've set mini goals for myself, reach x fishing and y cooking before going back out to level as just straight out grinding would burn me out, I think.

        Again, as I said in the last post prior to this, I'm planning on waiting things out through the trial and hope that my luck with finding folks my level to group with changes.

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        • #19
          Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

          If you could stand starting over on Lakshmi, I have a pretty good linkshell that'd be happy to help a new player get started. I can't promise a duo partner but at very least you could have some people to answer questions and hold a conversation with.
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          • #20
            Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

            Also, try to party during JP/NA primetime. There are usually more people to party with.
            ~~~BLM SAM RNG NIN PLD~~~

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            • #21
              Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

              A friend is currently running me through the subjob quest items.. all we're looking for now is skull.. she's taken me to the mines to get it. If I could find a few more folks like her, the game will definitely get better.
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              Originally posted by Mog View Post
              Also, try to party during JP/NA primetime. There are usually more people to party with.

              The hard part there is being married father of 2 girls. My primetime isn't a lot of others primetime unfortunately. Usually mid afternoon CST and early morning... then later in the evening, like 11p-2a cst.
              Last edited by skeeterlite; 07-27-2008, 10:24 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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              • #22
                Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

                Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
                The hard part there is being married father of 2 girls. My primetime isn't a lot of others primetime unfortunately. Usually mid afternoon CST and early morning... then later in the evening, like 11p-2a cst.
                Ahh, harder to say then. This is probably why you aren't getting many parties. All I can really say is to make your own parties and truck along. Eventually stuff will work out and you'll get higher up.
                ~~~BLM SAM RNG NIN PLD~~~

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                • #23
                  Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

                  Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
                  Usually mid afternoon CST and early morning... then later in the evening, like 11p-2a cst.
                  Unfortunately, this could be why you are having trouble finding groups. JP primetime usually starts to taper off around mid afternoon EST/CST, and NA primetime usually picks up around 5-6 EST (varies greatly among server and day). Next time you play, type "/sea all" and see how many people are currently on your server.

                  Originally posted by skeeterlite View Post
                  If I could find a few more folks like her, the game will definitely get better.
                  There are plenty more people like this in game. It sounds like you've just happened to come across some of the bad seeds early on.




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                  • #24
                    Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

                    Managed to grind out 18 finally this evening. Accidentally deleted the crab apron thinking it was crab shell LS member was in the area and had it killed and lootable soon as I zoned in to Valkurm. RDM is now sub to a whm main or until I figure out where I'm going from here. Today was probably the best I've had over the whole week in regards to this sort of thing.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

                      {Congratulation's} Now that's out of the way....

                      My husband and I duo'd most of the way to 35, me RDM and him WHM - it works well as a duo with at least one WAR sub for the provoke....

                      Once you get to 30 and start unlocking advanced jobs it gets easier, believe me.

                      BRD - I've never waited more than about 15 minutes for a party on BRD, but that's a special case, SMN is solo-city on Remora below 25 or so. RDM comes and goes, depends on your level and what the majority of pt's are looking for. Once RDM hits 41, all bets are off, you'll get lots of invites.

                      It gets better/easier - it just takes time.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Dual boxing nonsubjobbed classes

                        Unfortunately you're in for more soloing on every subjob, but I usually look at it as farming. The good thing is that your RDM will eventually be able to party more and the solo leveling will be an option you get to choose when you feel like it. The Beastman's Seals, crystals, and other loot you get while soloing up a subjob really adds up.

                        I hope you're able to join or create some fun parties in the coming levels. I've been thinking hard about what you could do to really have an enjoyable party for the next few levels on RDM (Lv18 to 21). Here is my suggestion:

                        Continue working on cooking, fishing, and your WHM subjob, but once you get it to Lv9+ keep searching for Lv17-18 players while continuing your other activities. You'll want to find player(s) who can go fight Land Worms (Lv20-25) with you in Korroloka Tunnel (Details on the XP Camp). You have several options when building a small party for worms (very important that your enfeebling magic is near cap for Silence):

                        Option #1 (duo or trio): Fight them from a distance
                        Team up with other jobs which can attack from a distance. BLM and RNG are most likely to have their ranged skills capped, but there is a chance that a SCH, COR, SAM, THF, or RDM would also work.

                        Your job will be to keep the worms silenced and assist with killing the worms with your elemental magic (might need to skill this up some first). You'll only need to do a limited amount of curing. Barstonra may not be needed.

                        Option #2 (trio): Engage them in melee
                        Team up with two DD jobs which can melee the worms. You may want one person to eat defense food and tank. The other person definately needs to be eating Sausage. Food and decent gear is especially important in small parties.

                        Your job will be to enfeeble the worms and heal your DDs. Paralyze and Slow will keep the damage taken by your melees down. Blind should also help a little at this low level where enemy accuracy isn't too much greater than a player's evasion. You'll still need to silence worms which link and keep Barstonra up.

                        Option #3 (duo or trio): Melee with a DNC
                        Team up with a DNC and continue enfeebling the way you would have in Option #2, but let the DNC do most of the healing while you help with melee damage. If you are really lucky, your DNC will agree to come /WAR with Bone or Lizard armor and use defense food while you use attack food and Enthunder if your enhancing magic is a decent level.

                        These options let you use more of your RDM capabilities while having a more interesting, challenging, and rewarding leveling experience. This place is also really nice because near the entrance from Zeruhn Mines there are single worms where you can start getting a hang of it and retreat if anything goes wrong. Another thing to note is that respawns in underground areas (dungeons) are usually 12 or 16 minutes, but there are plenty of worms.

                        PS: Small parties work because you can fight enemies which are lower level without running out of respawns. As you fight higher level enemies, your accuracy and damage drop off quickly, so two melees in a duo might kill enemies as fast as four melees in a full party, which is forced to fight harder enemies in order to not run out of respawns. That being said, this camp could probably support a party of four up to Lv21 with good XP. Full parties usually don't stay past Lv18. I would recommend reading the Wiki page on Experience Points to learn about experience chains and the XP modifiers for various party sizes.
                        Last edited by Ryoii/Nonomii; 07-28-2008, 12:03 AM. Reason: Minor edits

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