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  • What is "HNM"?

    Minor correction, but since the other thread is closed, "HNM" stands for "High Notorious Monster", according to S-E. (That's "悪名高い怪物" in Japanese, or "Bad-name High Monster", which probably means "High-level notorious monster".)

    The HNM entry in FFXIClopedia is more about how the players use the acronym, but at least now you can roll you eyes at S-E's official pronouncement--or correct people when they say 'H' in HNM means 'Hyper'. Up to you. (Kind of like how players use the term "subjob" instead of Support Job *, then misuse the term "support job" to label RDM and BRD and such instead conforming to S-E's term Support Role Job *. >_>; )
    Last edited by ItazuraNhomango; 07-23-2008, 06:27 PM.
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    Re: What is "HNM"?

    Good thing we got that cleared up.

    In a new topic.




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    • #3
      Re: What is "HNM"?

      I hate it when newbies are given incorrect or imprecise information. (I would've posted in the original thread, if I could have.)
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      • #4
        Re: What is "HNM"?

        That same S-E page you mentioned clearly states Spirits Within is magical damage. That's about as wrong as you can get.

        Also, HNM is a player-made term. S-E merely adopted it for that page.

        Next.
        Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-23-2008, 08:42 PM.
        Originally posted by Armando
        No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
        Originally posted by Armando
        Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
        Originally posted by Taskmage
        GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

        REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

        GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

        THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
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        • #5
          Re: What is "HNM"?

          Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
          That same S-E page you mentioned clearly states Spirits Within is magical damage. That's about as wrong as you can get.
          Actually, what S-E says that it's a type of magical weapon skill, in the context that its damage is subjected to building resistance for certain monsters. Whether any monster actually exhibits this resistance (inconsistent damage) to Spirits Within or not, I do not know. ._.
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          Moonlight pierces the depths of the pond,
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          • #6
            Re: What is "HNM"?

            Wouldn't all one need to test that is the necessary Sword skill and a monster "that /check as 'impossible to gauge.'"?

            Also, I'm calling them Hydrated Notorious Monsters from now on. HNM is an unofficial term. Why so serious?
            Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-23-2008, 06:51 PM. Reason: Honestly, to me, "High Notorious Monster" would imply that they are, er, "easier" to deal with. That, however, is definately not the case.
            Originally posted by Armando
            No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
            Originally posted by Armando
            Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
            Originally posted by Taskmage
            GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

            REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

            GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

            THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
            Originally posted by Taskmage
            However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
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            • #7
              Re: What is "HNM"?

              Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
              That same S-E page you mentioned clearly states Spirits Within is magical damage. That's about as wrong as you can get. HNM is a player-made term. S-E merely adopted it for that page.

              Next.
              That confuses me. When I am fighting elementals in Campaign, all my other sword weapon skills damage drops significantly but Spirits Within damage stays constant like the BLU spell Poison Breath. I always thought it did magical damage because like Poison Breath, the change in damage was only seen with different mobs. For Example, with a Dark elemental in Campain Spirits Within and Poison breath damage increased (When compared to any Yagudo) while my melee and other weapon skills decreased significantly.
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              • #8
                Re: What is "HNM"?

                The damage for Spirits Within is calculated merely by your current HP times the TP modifier. It is, as the description says, "unavoidable" damage, and it remains consistent against almost every single target in the game.

                Burning and Red Lotus Blades are your Magical WSs, as they are affacted by MAB and MDB, unlike Spirits Within.

                Fast Blade, Flat Blade, and Vorpal Blade are all entirely physical. Standard rules for auto-attack apply.
                Originally posted by Armando
                No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                Originally posted by Armando
                Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                Originally posted by Taskmage
                GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                Originally posted by Taskmage
                However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                Matthew 16:15

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                • #9
                  Re: What is "HNM"?

                  Is Spirits Within Light Damage? (I am thinking that is why my damage increased against the dark elementals)
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                  • #10
                    Re: What is "HNM"?

                    No. The damage formula for Spirits Within is consistent: you would see the same effects on a Light Elemental as you would on a Dark Elemental as you would on almost anything else. The only instance I have heard Spirits Within deviating from its formula would be against the walls in that one assault, and that's probably just because S-E thought ahead and figured that would be too easy.

                    So, because of its unique consistency, I like to think of SW as "spiritual" damage. That's just me, though, and nothing official.

                    Shining and Seraph Blades, however, are most definitely Light Damage.
                    Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-23-2008, 07:29 PM. Reason: took out lengthy example list
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
                    GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                    REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                    GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                    THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
                    However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                    Matthew 16:15

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                    • #11
                      Re: What is "HNM"?

                      I like how this thread went from discussing the meaning of HNM to the semantics of Spirits Within. < .>
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                      • #12
                        Re: What is &quot;HNM&quot;?

                        Well, it all started with Itaz insisting a player-made term was officially pronounced Tro-PAY, and then I said that such a claim to officiality was just as silly as insisting Spirits Within was Magical.

                        So, basically:

                        1. Itaz + Hydrated Notorious Monsters
                        2. Yellow Magic
                        3. ??? (likely involves Swords)
                        4. Spirits Within
                        5. Profit (now)
                        Originally posted by Armando
                        No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                        Originally posted by Armando
                        Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                        Originally posted by Taskmage
                        GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                        REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                        GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                        THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                        Originally posted by Taskmage
                        However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                        Matthew 16:15

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                        • #13
                          Re: What is &quot;HNM&quot;?

                          Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                          So, basically:

                          1. Itaz + Hydrated Notorious Monsters
                          2. Yellow Magic
                          3. Kupo!
                          4. Spirits Within
                          5. Profit (now)
                          ftfy
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                          • #14
                            Re: What is &quot;HNM&quot;?

                            Mog, I'd totally thank you if I weren't saving my 2000th thanks for something else. I think I'll just say Moogles ftw.
                            Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-23-2008, 08:53 PM. Reason: We're Thankful like it's Thanksgiving of 1999! Roll with it, Prince!
                            Originally posted by Armando
                            No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                            Originally posted by Armando
                            Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                            Originally posted by Taskmage
                            GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                            REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                            GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                            THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                            Originally posted by Taskmage
                            However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                            Matthew 16:15

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                            • #15
                              Re: What is &quot;HNM&quot;?

                              Will your thanks count return to zero and your PC will stop working when you use it?


                              Edit PS > Are you calling it T2K?
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