Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

[Ziero]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

I don't see the bullshit in which you're referring to. Bloodporting a pretty easy habit to grow out of and really only something that people without outposts or BLM levelled to Warp access do. Again, I've not bloodported a job in ages - the need for that stops when you have Warp on BLM and now you can just grab that subjob from Selbina/Mhuara moogles, to boot.

And if you don't have Blm to 17 it's still one of the fastest, easiest ways to travel. I do it daily, if for nothing more then to save some IS or gil or even a spare minute. I'd rather bloodport from AU to my homepoint then pay for a silver coin. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

Ok so this doesn't get out of hand, let me help. Kitten let me show you what some people are seeing from your original post:

Its not cheating, but it is kind of a sign you've not learned how to use the Outpost warp system or made efforts to learn the other means of travel in the game. I can't remember the last time I bloodported a level 1 job just to get back to homepoint or the last time I've seen anyone but a NIN main do it.

Translation:

"It's not cheating but its stupid. It shows that you didn't take the time to learn the game and you are just a nub. I taught myself from early on how to get around in game in various ways just so I wouldn't look like a nub so I'm better than you."


Your post came off a tad bit elitest, more like a BG post, hence the subsequent replies.

[Feba]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

What probably happened is OP caught speed or POS hacking. OP, if you honestly don't use tools like that, client side issues CAN have the same effect. Having your PC overclocked used to be able to do it, although I've heard that that's been fixed. An unreliable internet connection causing you to pop around (from the server's point of view) can also be mistaken for POS hacking.

[fallenintoshadows]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

What probably happened is OP caught speed or POS hacking. OP, if you honestly don't use tools like that, client side issues CAN have the same effect. Having your PC overclocked used to be able to do it, although I've heard that that's been fixed. An unreliable internet connection causing you to pop around (from the server's point of view) can also be mistaken for POS hacking.

I totally agree, it seems unlikely it would be just because he was deathwarping but then he wouldn't come in and complain about being banned if he knew he was doing something wrong either. Chances are the GM saw it the wrong way/ took it the wrong way~ whatever, guess you can't really ask the GM until you get back in game though.

Has there ever been a case where a GM was wrong and if so how do they compensate for the temp ban? I'm guessing they shrug it off and tell you to run along and play..

[Mhurron]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

Having your PC overclocked used to be able to do i

No it can't, and unless you mean fixed as in before CoP showed up it never could.

Not surprisingly, most of the people who claim that ran the unofficial windower.

[Shadowneko]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

i've seen people skip when I lag...

Basicly like other people have said...the only "Illegal Warping" i've heard of is the darn POS hacking...

[bm00re]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

You have a feeling "this guy" did something else, yeah im a very suspicious character....all i did was ask a question here. I don't speed hack or POS dont even know what that is. And i dont have all the outpost warps yet, my highest job is lvl 30 whm, like i said in my original post, im pretty new. Lots to learn.

[Ameroth]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

No one's accusing you of cheating. But most people won't give into the bloodwarping as an excuse for temp banning so obviously some people are going to interject some logic into a seemingly illogical situation. Most people get suspended for this reason because they are using hacks to increase movement speed or allow them to "warp" around the map (POS hacking).

I don't see the bullshit in which you're referring to.

I have outposts, BLM33, NIN20, all WHM teleports (pre-WoTG spells), plenty of IS for travel from Whitegate, several cavernous maws, and airship access to get around the world. And I'll still use bloodporting if it happens to have some convenience. Example: I bloodported the other day on COR1 after getting outside city walls and then immediately deciding to go back to Whitegate.

That's the bullshit I'm referring to.

[ItachiKujata]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

No it can't, and unless you mean fixed as in before CoP showed up it never could.

Not surprisingly, most of the people who claim that ran the unofficial windower.

Actually I'm starting to believe it could because of what I've seen recently with my gf's PC. The last update did something that caused her character to have abnormally fast movement in the game. And I'm not talking just character movement, but animations in general, accessing the menu, etc. We thought it was windower, still happened without windower and it would only go away after a PC restart and it would come back after a few minutes of playing or so.

This happened to a few other people in my LS too. We narrowed it down to the AMD processor since all the affected parties had that in common at least. This utility helped:

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized.

AMD Athlonâ„¢ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Utilities and Updates


So I'm guessing they changed the way they get their timing from the windows API to accessing this RDTSC directly. This could be what happened to the OP and he didn't notice it or think about it...

[Mhurron]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

Actually I'm starting to believe it could because of what I've seen recently with my gf's PC. The last update did something that caused her character to have abnormally fast movement in the game. And I'm not talking just character movement, but animations in general, accessing the menu, etc. We thought it was windower, still happened without windower and it would only go away after a PC restart and it would come back after a few minutes of playing or so.

This was a problem with FFXI itself, and was fixed right after the update.

If playing with the processor, FSB or video card clock speeds made it look like you were speedhacking, everyone who is running on a machine faster then a PIII 700MHz, 133MHz FSB and a GeForce 1 would have been banned a long time ago.

What's the difference between a P3 700 and a P3 900? Processor timings. Buy a P3 700 and OC it to 900 and you have a P3 900.
What's the difference between a Core 2 Duo E8200 and a E8500? Processor timings.

[Mog]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

Hey all, im new here and sorry if this has been asked alot, but does SE consider switching to a level 1 job heading out to some mobs and dying a warp cheat? I was told by poeple that it was okay, so i did it, now my account has been banned for 72 hours for "Warp Cheating" so im just curious if this is what they are referring to as me cheating, or if they made a mistake and think im doing it some other way. Thanks for any info.

Sorry, I'm not buying this. There's no possible way that a GM suspended you for bloodporting.

The only possibilities that you got kicked were that you were POS hacking, using obvious third party tools, or a really bad internet connection, which would cause others to perceive you as position hacking around.

Besides that, there's absolutely no reason why you'd get suspended, unless were you shouting profantities or something.

[ItachiKujata]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

This was a problem with FFXI itself, and was fixed right after the update.

If playing with the processor, FSB or video card clock speeds made it look like you were speedhacking, everyone who is running on a machine faster then a PIII 700MHz, 133MHz FSB and a GeForce 1 would have been banned a long time ago.

What's the difference between a P3 700 and a P3 900? Processor timings. Buy a P3 700 and OC it to 900 and you have a P3 900.
What's the difference between a Core 2 Duo E8200 and a E8500? Processor timings.

Not sure if it was fixed right after because we waited and thought it was just a bug but it still presented itself even after the first emergency update. Installing that utility fixed it for sure though. We have 2 other PCs that are Intel based which never exhibited those issues, windower or not.

I don't get your point with processor timings?

[Feba]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

If playing with the processor, FSB or video card clock speeds made it look like you were speedhacking,

I'm pretty sure it wasn't directly the clock speeds that caused the problems. But obviously we can't test that if it has been fixed.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

I have outposts, BLM33, NIN20, all WHM teleports (pre-WoTG spells), plenty of IS for travel from Whitegate, several cavernous maws, and airship access to get around the world. And I'll still use bloodporting if it happens to have some convenience. Example: I bloodported the other day on COR1 after getting outside city walls and then immediately deciding to go back to Whitegate.

I'm sorry I have so deeply offended you by presenting you with common sense.

MH > Change to BLM > Warp to Whitegate

OR

MH > Change to COR1 > spend three minutes getting outside > zone outside and get killed to get to whitegate, even though you had BLM for warp.

I guess the difference is one shows violence and takes longer?

[Ameroth]

Re: Curious about lvl 1 job warp.

I'm sorry I have so deeply offended you by presenting you with common sense.

MH > Change to BLM > Warp to Whitegate

OR

MH > Change to COR1 > spend three minutes getting outside > zone outside and get killed to get to whitegate, even though you had BLM for warp.

I guess the difference is one shows violence and takes longer?

You misunderstand my point completely. It's bullshit to say players that bloodport are less awesome than the illustrious omgwtfbbqkitten. No one asked you to interject your petty elitism into this, or any, topic.

Edit: And, furthermore, to clarify, in my example I fully intended to go out and exp on COR. It just so happened as soon as I left Bastok I was presented with the need to return to WG. Run back thru bastok to MH -> change jobs -> Warp? Or let the little bee hit me 7 or 8 times until I die?