gardening question! concerning pots

[assumedvigilance]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

i once had the misfortune to lose 60 plants at once. they were all tree cuttings that i had farmed then planted at the same time on 6 mules... my computer decided to die and i wasnt able to get on for a week... when i got back they were dead and i am now done with gardening. i would only pick up gardening again if SE somehow changed things so that if you are on at all you must check the plants once a day but if you havent been on in a month you wont loose the plants unless durring the next time you are on you dont check the plants... if that makes sense

[Flanteus]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

I can't help but disagree with this.

Sure I don't post much but I think there are a lot of posts in several threads that have been down this road before. I am happily making 80-100k per 5-6 days @ 2-3 minutes per day, and that's just selling to NPCs and not taking into account any stacks of crystals I get as an aside from my target crop (which are an inveitable yield it would appear). There's a few extra k either made from AHing them or saved from using them in crafting.

I must confess that when I started out I was sure to plant on a certain day and harvest on a certain day and the timing can be a pain in the ass - not least if you're in a cracking EXP party or something that you don't want to mule for. Now I do both whenever the relevant time comes around and I haven't noticed a sizeable drop in profits, although I'm sure that there is some loss involved.

You might be saying that 80-100k per 5-6 days isn't much. Agreed, however for less than 30 minutes work total per week and an investment of 15k~ per week over 3 mules it's easy gil - and all in the comfort of your own mog house!

As for pots - I use Earthen Pots from the Catalyst Shop in Windurst - cheap and effective, but then again I'm not aiming for 30 day/Ore/super-special yields, rather easy, effortless gil.

yeah I agree with that, 6-5 days is acceptable to me and thats what I'm planning to do..

you say earthen pot? are you growing Saruta cotton?

question to gardeners: do you farm your own seeds or just buy them?

peace..

[Iarendiel]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

question to gardeners: do you farm your own seeds or just buy them?

I typically get my seeds while soloing out in various areas, but if I'm not getting lucky, then I will go out and farm my seeds. I favor Brass Pots however, and use two mules. :D

[Kitalrez]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

yeah I agree with that, 6-5 days is acceptable to me and thats what I'm planning to do..

you say earthen pot? are you growing Saruta cotton?

question to gardeners: do you farm your own seeds or just buy them?

peace..

Not if he's making that much directly off NPCs. My guess would be wildgrasses. Check the prices on your server for Garidav and Tokopeko. They NPC for a pretty penny. You'll need water and fire crystals, and will usually gain some from the recipe itself. He could increase his yield slightly by going with a porcelain or astral pot, too, but something tells me that would also vastly increase the growing cycle. I'm actually going to try this out. I have 3 gardening mules I used back when ores were still "machineable", grasses might be a decent switch now. Certainly be more reliable income than cuttings to ores.

[KingOfZeal]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

Actually, the pot doesn't effect the growth cycle very much. The seed is what controls that most of the time. As I recall, the Arcane pot will increase the growth time by a little bit (I think we're talking about a day or two extra if you are doing saplings or other long-term growths), but it's probably negligible when you start talking about short-term seeds like Herb and Grain, which are typically 5-7 days. It also depends on when you feed it along it's growth cycle: not feeding them at all will tend to make them take a little longer on the cycle.

The pot's main effect is what actually grows. Each pot has it's on elemental energy (as do the seeds themselves, crystals and even cities from what I've been able to gather -- some things have more effect than others, IE crystals > pot > city). That energy can help to shape results to one end or another. I think the only exception to this may be the Arcane, which tends to greatly increase the results of the pot. It's the only way to get 2 ores in a single growth when you aim for those.

Also... when you said Astral, did you mean Arcane, or is there a new pot I should be looking out for?


Edit: to be helpful for the person who's actually asking the questions and just not those who are answering: I normally buy my seeds. This is mostly because when I do gardening, I have 6 mules working on the same things at the same time, and I tend to go through them extremely fast (5 stacks every week or so). Since I don't like to farm when I can help it, and have a terrible time with seeds when I do, I find it's easier to maintain my supply and get what I need right off the AH.

[Flanteus]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

thank you guys that was helpful, right now I'm leveling a thief to 15 to become more efficient at farming , I think that might help farming seeds from time to time..

Not if he's making that much directly off NPCs. My guess would be wildgrasses. Check the prices on your server for Garidav and Tokopeko. They NPC for a pretty penny. You'll need water and fire crystals, and will usually gain some from the recipe itself.

I wrote down the prices when i was doing my research, it sell for less than 4k at ah (both Garidav and Toko /stack) and dead slow compare it to NPC for 5k! but I'm trying to avoid multiple results which these 2 can grow with 4 other crap items..

I have another question more about mules, can I check for my plants growing and feed them while i'm in another city?
I got this mule setting in Jeuno, I have the "gardening" option available but I'm not sure if I can setup 10 pots in windy and watch over them in jeuno..(complete control from planting seeds to harvesting them)..

he is an AH mule


peace..

[Kitalrez]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

Also... when you said Astral, did you mean Arcane, or is there a new pot I should be looking out for?

I'm...er... a SMN, we're easily confused by these two terms. You had it correct. I was specifically thinking of Arcane when I said the part about the growth cycle, too. If it's only a day on ores, then it would be negligible on other harvests. I was thinking it raised things a lot higher. Haven't had a chance to test out my one arcane yet.

[KingOfZeal]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

Now I wish I could find the information I found about seed growth timings, and how the Arcane pot effects everything. I do remember that in any case it really doesn't effect it by much, and the only time I have ever found any information about it is in the context of the Arcane pot -- I've never heard about any other pot effecting the timings.

Back on topic:
One thing about gardening is that the more valuable items also come with crappy things. This is when the various pots come into place -- if you use the wiki for Gardening Recipes (in your case, Gardening: Wildgrass Seeds Recipes - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki) you will see that some pots yield a large number of the high value items and small of the low value, and vice versa. Some pots don't even yield certain results, though keep in mind that the information may not be complete -- for example, for Wildgrass seeds, there aren't many results for the Arcane flowerpot and certain crystals. This is probably because there hasn't been much data to completely fill it out -- do edit the pages if you find a result is a little different.

A prime example of the different yields is shown when you look at using a Wind Crystal with Wildgrass seeds: with a wooden pot, you can get 17-25 greens per pot, as opposed to others which yield 8-20. In this case, a wooden is better for consistency.

what I'm trying to say overall is that yes, there's risk, but with risk comes rewards as well. Or, in programmer-ese:
$DO || ! $DO ; try
try: command not found

Lastly, yes, you can check your pots from abroad, but you can only effect layout from your home city. So, unless your mule can move from Jeuno to it's home city easily, you can't put pots into the scene and use them. When you do have pots in the scene and you check from another city, though, your moogle will warp back to your home city and check on them... you will not be able to see what you normally do, it'll just be chat in the log. You can do anything you can normally do like this (plant, feed, harvest, check), and your moogle will come back when you're all done.

[Flanteus]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

good so I can make use of the AH mule then...
I think I'll have to do Jeuno <-->windy trip again


About the risk ..I'm not a big fan of "risk" in any game , 50% or 33% chance of good results is acceptable to me, any lower than that (4 crap with only 1 good) wont be sufficient IMO , unless the good item was extremely good, tho I hate gambling...

right now I cant afford buying wooden pot (40k ) so I'm gardening with a bit of risk until i get some money to replace the other pots..

[Kerio]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

wow the forum i started went far...

But what about the main question! CAN you have more than 10 pots in the mog house at one time? I'm lacking in gil right now so i can't try it (also i'm away from my POL computer), but CAN you was the real question. IF you can, are the results hurt? Has anyone tried it??

Oh, and as for growing times, i usually get a few extra days in my growth cycle with my Arcana pots. I had all tree sapplings in my mh and had two arcana pots. They took a whole week more to harvest! Or maybe 5 days. Around that...

As for a recipie, has anyone found a really good recipie for getting fire crystals? I need them for cooking. If not, then i'll just look on wiki.

Oh.. and where's this helm forum?

[The Mauva Syndicate]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

I've never grown Wildgrasses (No seeds avail in Windy on Remora) so perhaps they are more predictable/profitable...

Grains and Herbs and Vegetables - not so great value - but all three of them will yeild fire crystals with certain pot/seed/crystal combo's (which is the hit or miss part - identical pots, same seeds, same crystals, same time (within seconds of each other) wildly varying results - but again, this is NOT Wildgrasses (which apparently are a much better crop per other posters). Usually it's elemental opposites for crystals - so if you want FIRE you will need to feed WATER to the appropriate seed (vegetable is one I used to success).

Of course since Zu in Buburimu drop Fire crystals, I just farm them - faster.

And no you cannot have more than 10 pots in your MH

And I can't post links yet - but if you go to the home page here, you should be able to see the entire forum listing and HELM is down a bit....

[Flanteus]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

woot! got my first harvest
4 ice crystals! exactly what I want ...


I have to admit ...it was a great feeling












wait a sec...who cares!?


anyway, the recipe I'm doing for more than 20 pots is (under testing) :
Brass pot + vegetable + Lighting = 50% Wild Onions 2-6 (the chance can be lower by the rarity of the item itself...if that make any sense) ..
and another 10 pots for Saruta ..

did someone tried doing these? did you find it profitable?
should I delete my post ?

[Marquisxion]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

Not if he's making that much directly off NPCs. My guess would be wildgrasses.

Ah yeah, should have clarified this - I grow Wildgrasses and NPC them for more than AH profit. Also, I tend to buy my seeds from an AH, although there is a vendor in Whitegate - Khaf Jhifanm @ {H-11} (inside the ship to Mhaura 'port'). She sells them for about 320 each but there really isn't much point for me getting a mule/my main there for the saving it equates to. Useful however if you haven't got any on the AH and have completed Lure of the Wildcat in any of the three cities.

Sorry to hear your harvest was bad Flanteus I've never tried growing much else, although do recall getting boxes of Tarutaru rice from a random seed and crystal plant that I did one time.

I find Wildgrass and Water/Fire crystals the most consistent, however I suppose I have just contradicted myself as I said I haven't tried anything else >_<

[KingOfZeal]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

Don't confuse 4 results to mean it's a 25% chance. Each result is NOT even. For example, elemental ores: generally speaking, each growth has 3 results -- the ore itself, the opposite element cluster (crystals), or some type of herb/seasoning.

However, when I was doing elemental ores, I would get maybe 2-3 ores per 10, and ended up with as much as 15 stacks of seasoning and 4-5 clusters. So ores would actually be about 2/(2+15+5) = 9%, and seasoning would be 15/(2+15+5) = 68%.



And, I'm going to say, that for specific growths, it's best to just go and do it yourself instead of asking around on forums. It's not likely that anybody here has detailed knowledge about the specific growth (except maybe for the higher-profit ones like pure crystals and elemental ores). The risk probably isn't as much as you might think it is.

[Celeal]

Re: gardening question! concerning pots

The good thing for gardening is it does not stop you from doing other things (like farming, exp-ing, fishing... etc) while the plant is growing in the Mog House.