The issues with FFXI that we don't often discuss

[Telera]

Re: The issues with FFXI that we don't often discuss

I saw more and heard more about harassment over gear in XI than I ever did in SWG or LotRO. That said, it almost never happens in XI, either. (For nice emphasis.) It's more of a rarity and usually isolated to people who are overly anal-retentive about things like that. It's simply that I personally saw more incidences, not that it never happens on the other games. But I don't think it's more common in western MMOs than Eastern. But then, the only western ones I've played were LotRO and SWG. I've never touched WoW or EVE and have no desire to do so. It's almost certainly much more common in WoW than XI, though. Just from what others have told me of it. I just don't think all other Western games are a reflection of WoW's rather odd community.

Maybe it's because I came into SWG only a few months before the death-knell of the NGE, but I never once was checked, talked to, or asked about gear. In LotR, its the same. I don't know if people even use the function. The only time I've ever used it was to see what cloak some Elf I saw was wearing because I wanted to go buy my own. I like nice clothes. :p I've never heard people prepping for Rift/CD/Helegrod muttering in Kin chat 'Omg, look at that guy's armor. We need a new tank. lololomg' And in party I've never heard anything about anyone. Ever.

[Brielle]

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As an officer from an end-game guild in World of Warcraft, it is horrifying to read some the things that people say about others when they know the other person can't read it. One piece of gear can make or break getting into a guild, it happens quite often. I tried to employ the idea of bringing prospects on instance runs with us, but that was voted out because it was deemed to be "too much work". Gear is a part of the character, but I think that someone's skill is far more important.

As of right now, I feel like I am painting a terrible image of WoW. That is not really my intention, because the game itself does have quite a few redeeming qualities. Not everyone who plays is obsessed with being covered in epic gear and not everyone bashes their neighbour for what they view as a poor choice in armour. The incidence of it is higher, but it usually comes from the same people time and time again.

Considering myself quite lucky, I had access to the highest quality gear that the game had to offer for a healer. People need to realize that not everyone who plays can invest that many hours a day to a video game (even though I love to!). The world needs some constructive criticism, let go of that negativity.

[Malacite]

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Elitism at it's finest... - .-

[Brielle]

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On the subject of elitism, I always have to laugh about this because I find it so ridiculous.

I played Alliance on a PvP server for most of my WoW career, and our guild was the second for progression on the server behind a rather massive guild which was also Alliance. Many of our guild members were poached with promises of gold and epics, since they had access to raid bosses we were not at yet. Curiously, I was never asked to join their guild. All of our other officers had been asked, but not me. This had me wondering if I was not doing my job correctly, or if I had made a bad impression. Officer channel was buzzing one evening when that guild had asked our guild leader to disband the guild and join them. I spoke up and asked if anyone had a clue as to why I was being overlooked. The channel got very quiet and finally one of them said it was because I was female.

After a few minutes of silence, I asked the obvious question, "What does being female have anything to do with that?". According to this other guild, women are not as capable players because we lack an aggressive nature. They also believe that women are little more than distractions to a raid group and are to be avoided.

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, I could not believe what I was reading. Of course, I had to say something to their guild leader. He happened to be standing next to me at the mailbox one evening and I was very direct in what I was talking about. He stood by this guideline and that he did not allow women in the guild, not even wives/girlfriends.

If that is not elitism, I am not sure what is

[Yellow Mage]

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Picture this: A message in yellow text pops up in the log telling you that player X challenges you to a D-D-D-D-DUEL!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m61blkxROeE[/ame]

I honestly don't know who has more time on their hands: those guys, or myself.

. . . But I'm at least pretty sure it's those guys.

[Kailea]

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On the subject of elitism, I always have to laugh about this because I find it so ridiculous.

I played Alliance on a PvP server for most of my WoW career, and our guild was the second for progression on the server behind a rather massive guild which was also Alliance. Many of our guild members were poached with promises of gold and epics, since they had access to raid bosses we were not at yet. Curiously, I was never asked to join their guild. All of our other officers had been asked, but not me. This had me wondering if I was not doing my job correctly, or if I had made a bad impression. Officer channel was buzzing one evening when that guild had asked our guild leader to disband the guild and join them. I spoke up and asked if anyone had a clue as to why I was being overlooked. The channel got very quiet and finally one of them said it was because I was female.

After a few minutes of silence, I asked the obvious question, "What does being female have anything to do with that?". According to this other guild, women are not as capable players because we lack an aggressive nature. They also believe that women are little more than distractions to a raid group and are to be avoided.

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing, I could not believe what I was reading. Of course, I had to say something to their guild leader. He happened to be standing next to me at the mailbox one evening and I was very direct in what I was talking about. He stood by this guideline and that he did not allow women in the guild, not even wives/girlfriends.

If that is not elitism, I am not sure what is

that is not elitism...... thats sexism.....and a really poor excuse of it, that guild leader is a moron

[Brielle]

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That was too hilarious, I am having a hard time breathing.
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that is not elitism...... thats sexism.....and a really poor excuse of it, that guild leader is a moron

Sexism mixed with elitism, but of course Blizzard does not do anything about these types of matters.

[Kurb]

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bahh WoW PvP areas every 2 secs it's duel duel duel right in the middle of a quest duel duel ..... cancle em all you want they just followed me around once for 2 hours untill he took a hint

[Effedup]

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After a few minutes of silence, I asked the obvious question, "What does being female have anything to do with that?". According to this other guild, women are not as capable players because we lack an aggressive nature. They also believe that women are little more than distractions to a raid group and are to be avoided.

That is seriously the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've gotten my ass pwnt by women just as often as I have by men (although I will say getting t-bagged by a girl does sting just a little bit more ^^)

[Feba]

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Because its completely uneccessary and there's already a means of getting that fix in-game already, that's why. Its called Diorama-Ghlesa Outpost and Diorama-Poroggo Isle.

No. Dioramas can be used by one group at a time, are not inclined towards duels (let alone tournaments), and hogging up an entire diorama just so you and a friend can fight is just plain assholish. An instanced Dojo would solve those problems.

Feba:
You can heal with a pet out on BST, but that's the only job.

Yeah, I thought so; I didn't play too much BST.

No one harasses CORs for invites, a BRD or RDM can go /anon and you typically stop getting bothered unless you're a real party whore.

Plainly, bullshit. Even people knowing you have one of those jobs at a level that's useful to them can be enough.

Hell, look at every BRD out there who leveled another job to 75, and still gets harassed to bring their BRD out instead of their new job.

I've never seen anyone harassed in FFXI over thier gear being checked in FFXI,

It's not /check, it's people bugging you after they see what you have. And yes, I've seen it happen.

[Akashimo]

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I've never seen anyone harassed in FFXI over thier gear being checked in FFXI, its just some deep-seated fear JP players have. And really, it only takes place in the Western MMOs.

It's not /check, it's people bugging you after they see what you have. And yes, I've seen it happen.

Prime example - http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/gen...tml#post731540

[Malacite]

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Shoulda called the mods on their asses for sexism. Assuming Blizzard monitors chat logs, there's no way they could deny it.

[Feba]

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Quite honestly, why would you want to associate with sexist morons anyway? What are GMs going to do, tell them to play nice?

Now I mean, sexual harassment, yes, call a GM. Harassment in any form because of your gender, yes, call a GM. But someone being a bigoted idiot? Not really much you can do about it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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No. Dioramas can be used by one group at a time, are not inclined towards duels (let alone tournaments), and hogging up an entire diorama just so you and a friend can fight is just plain assholish. An instanced Dojo would solve those problems.

You can have duels in Dioramas, there's no rule saying you can. Dioramas can be reserved by whoever for whatever reason they please, so its not being an asshole to reserve the area for a small period of time.

Plainly, bullshit. Even people knowing you have one of those jobs at a level that's useful to them can be enough.

Hell, look at every BRD out there who leveled another job to 75, and still gets harassed to bring their BRD out instead of their new job.

Again, you show your ignorance. CORs never get hassled for merit PTs. I get a stray invite from time to time. People will come right to me the moment my flag goes up, but since COR doesn't have March or Haste, we're #3 after BRD and RDM for the PT slot. Not to mention RDMs cure pretty good, I can't say the same.

No one will turn a COR down, but given how few of them there are, we're not a common sight, either. We're well outside the thoughts of the mainstream player most of the time because of the lack of population. Not that I'm complaining, really.

As for BRD and RDM, if you have enough backbone to tell people "no" - especially this in endgame shells - they'll back off on the subject. What merits? Go Campaign, Besieged, quest EXP scroll. I don't give a damn about your EXP buffer.

For non-LS situations, I have a search comment. If you don't read it, I blacklist you and my world gets one voice quieter. Simple, eh? The cruel world doesn't make me PT with them.

Not to mention these days people can usually find a job they enjoy meritting on, not to mention PTs aren't the only way to get EXP and merits now. If BRD is the only mage/support class you've had and you only have melee or tank jobs otherwise, you pretty much screwed over yourself on meritpo and endgame, no one to blame but yourself.

I do disagree with LS leaders that will only accept or use a player as a BRD - those people have no concept of team morale. A good leader will give an opportunity for thier members to shine on the other jobs they've enjoyed. That's the only thing about playing BRD that makes me iffy about the job - some leaders just don't have a good concept of morale and instead see endgame as all-business.

That makes the game suck.

It's not /check, it's people bugging you after they see what you have. And yes, I've seen it happen.

Its extremely rare that I get bugged about gear after I'm checked, though sometimes I am asked how I got my gear. I don't have a problem telling people how I got it. Its not like they're begging for me to sell it to them - I can't, 90% of the stuff is R/E.

Its not that hard to filter /check. If it bothers you so much FILTER IT. 99.9% percent of the time, no one is going to ask you about anything you have. Some people just /check to see what other people in thier jobs are using. Kinda helps give people ideas

[Feba]

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You can have duels in Dioramas, there's no rule saying you can.

Again, they aren't well built for it (just look at how long the hike can be from one spawn point to a fight), and there are people that would actually like to use them for their intended purpose.

Again, you show your ignorance. CORs never get hassled for merit PTs.

First of all, I said "those jobs" in reference to RDM and BRD. Secondly, you are not representative of all CORs. I wouldn't be surprised to see your invite rate is lower simply because of how much of an ass you tend to be. Third, it doesn't matter if you have backbone-- people will bug you about it if they need you. Same as the point I was making. Fourth, if people bug you and you blacklist them, what's the problem with a duel system? Simple, huh? You don't have to duel them just because they ask. Fifth, again, whether you think something is ok or not is irrelevant. It's not ok to harass people to join your party, it's not ok to harass people to use a certain job they don't want to for an LS function, it's not ok to harass someone to PvP. We can all agree with that- YOU DO NOT TAKE FEATURES OUT BECAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT ANNOY YOU TO USE THEM.

Its extremely rare that I get bugged about gear after I'm checked,

Again, you are not representative of the whole. I specifically referred to Relic weapons. It also applies to some of the rarer equips-- people used to ask me about my Moogle Rod and Chocobo Wand all the time. That doesn't mean I wasn't still happy to have them, or that SE shouldn't have included it because there was the occasional annoying douche.

Its not that hard to filter /check. If it bothers you so much FILTER IT.

It's not /check, it's people bugging you after they see what you have.

come on, BBQ.