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  • So you want some gilz...

    Ok this guide is a secret passed down from a good friend of mine who has since left the game, and I figured I would share it with you.

    Forget about farming
    Forget about Crafting
    Forget about anything you know about making gil.

    FF is a semi functioning real world with a flucating ecconomy just like the real world. How do people make money in the real world, its not through working its though money making money for itself.

    What I mean is, monopolies, stocks, etc. Now stocks are not quite available to this game but monopolies are, and can be exploited very very easily through a initial investment and a manipulation of markets. Like in the real world you find something that the community needs that you can exploit, corner the market and set your own price, through buy outs and rate manipulation.

    First you must find a worthy target that is a common buy. It can be a commonly supplied item (Sneak Oil) or it can be one that comes in limited quatities (Scorpion Harness). Once you have found a worthy target in the market you must understand how markets work to make you earn money.

    Buy low Sell High

    Buying a product when it reaches its low point in mass quantities and re selling this Item is a simple way to increase your money making, however we are going to take this one step further and acctually manipulate the rate of fluctuation in a specific item to our fancy.

    To manipulate a products market value you must provide an active market representation (the AH sale history). The optimal route to take is to manipulate this price into going low. How low is hard to assertain, since you will be relying on producers and/or farmers for supply you dont want it to go as low as driving them out of the market you want them to still feel they are making money. (will detail this later)

    Monopolize, once you have set the market, you must monopolize the item, that means buying out the AH and hoarding the supply, once you have set the market at your prefered buying price you can easily maintain a market domination by simply camping the AH. After Several days, of stockpiling you move on to the next phase.

    Resetting the market. This step will have you slowly manipulating the price back up to a higher sale price than what you originally set it for, and the farmers crafters will follow suit ensuring high sales of the item.

    Now you unload your stockpile of items, setting the price of them below the current rate so they will always sell first, with all the items you bought at a cheaper rate, you will increase your gil by a hefty margin and cause the price to lower again. In which case you simply repeat the process.

    How to Set a Market

    This requires several sales of the item from yourself to a friend, or 2nd charecter, or a mule, through the AH. Set your Items price and repeat the buying process as many times as you feel is necassary to have the market change. Ideally this means you will lower the price a few hundred or thousand every few sales to show a decline in the market.

    To raise a market you imply the same tactic but in reverse.

    How to monopolize a market

    After lowering a market the crafters and farmers will follow suit, when this happens you simply buy up their goods at your set price, with all of the items you can obtain this way you dont need to farm or craft outside your initial investment of gil.

    The resault

    After about a week of doing this you will have obtained many many gilz, you can easily repeat the process, or take your earning s and move on to higher cost items and do the same thing again with them. In the end your intial investment of 1 item at the original cost, flucuates into a money maker beyond compare. Its the same way as playing the stock market, letting your initial investment ride till you pull it out.

    The Flamers

    Regardless of your opinion on this matter, the fact is it is the most efficent way to make money, and requires you to do nothing but ride the AH for a few days.

    "But thats what RMT do"

    Who cares SE obviously dosent, and neither do I, if they make an ass load of money from it why cant I. I dont let people dictate how I should sell my product in game, nor in real life. I play the markets in real life and this is the exact same thing that runs encconomic markets the world over, therefore applicable to a mini life game like FFXI.

    "Its against the rules"

    Nope its not, there is no rule laid out by SE in the manipulation of the AH.

    "Its Not fair"

    Life isnt fair grow up or get out.

    "Your Hurting others work"

    Not my problem, theres other ways to make money besides farming, I choose to have 1000 employees instead of doing the majority of the work myself, that makes me smart.

    In short, this is one way to make alot of money, outside of my initial farm at the start of the day I do this and turn about 600K into much much more profits from this "Farming".
    Its a great tool if used properly and is much more effective then anything else.

    Put it this way,

    You dont see CEO's slaving away in the tertiary sector of life (farmin and manufacturing) they sit back and pull the strings.

    sig courtesy tgm
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    Re: So you want some gilz...



    This thread will get epic. I swear.
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    • #3
      Re: So you want some gilz...

      Lady Kiki.

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      • #4
        Re: So you want some gilz...

        Die!

        That is all.
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        • #5
          Re: So you want some gilz...

          So, basically, your strategy is the no-honor/be-a-dick-to-everyone-and-price-jack-a-market approach.

          I like my means better, it lets me keep my my dignity. I just farm, craft and NPC stuff that NPCs better than stuff on the AH. BCNMs are fun too and gil can also be made from my Imperial standing and Allied Notes. No mercenary work for me, either, I just help people, I don't take thier gil in exchange for the help.

          It got me a pretty tricked out COR and RNG, so I'm content to think my method works and will be applying it to my BST, DNC and SCH as well.

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          • #6
            Re: So you want some gilz...

            Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
            So, basically, your strategy is the no-honor/be-a-dick-to-everyone-and-price-jack-a-market approach.

            I like my means better, it lets be keep my my dignity. I just farm, craft and NPC stuff that NPCs better than stuff on the AH. BCNMs are fun too and gil can also be made from my Imperial standing and Allied Notes. No mercenary work for me, either, I just help people, I don't take thier gil in exchange for the help.

            It got me a pretty tricked out COR and RNG, so I'm content to think my method works and will be applying it to my BST, DNC and SCH as well.
            Good for you BBQ I dont care, yes i suppose you can say my method is to dick everyone else, I need to do minimal work and let my money make money for me, its called ecconomic superiority I am at the top and everyone else does the work for me, That is much more pleasing to me then running around for 14 hours a day beating the same mobs for drops.

            so ya your method is good for you my method is great for me.

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            • #7
              Re: So you want some gilz...

              So ... since you brought this up, I would like to ask ...

              If you're so great at making gil, I would like to bring up:

              Why do you use a Narasimha's Vest when I questioned you for not using a Scorpion Harness? You obviously have the gil to buy it.

              References:

              http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/red...tml#post767271
              /equip body "Narashima's Vest"
              Don't you mean Scorpion Harness? Otherwise it's an odd change from what you had before.
              http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/red...tml#post767276
              No i dont have a SH I need it along with, PCC, I had borrowed those in the past but thought is was obligatory i gave my current gear.

              Also casting spells does not pause the delay, only using spells that go over the delay will cause a pause. Like I said in a 6 second delay you can cast refresh (the longest cast spell we have next to Stoneskin or nukes) @4 seconds. If you start casting during the animationof swinging you can fit it in with no dealy interuption. (also does not affect DA proc by joy).
              Also, your idea is flawed, up to a point. So what if you empty the market? Whoever is currently "supplying" them would simply go "oh it's all sold, I'll just make more and put more up". As far as the supplier is concerned, he has the money on hand. As well, people will pick up on the fact you're trying to change the market, and they will go against you. And they will more likely win, as you try to raise, they'll try to lower. Sooner or later you'll have lots of stock you will not be able to clear.

              Checkpoint: RMT tried this and eventually failed. While this game mirrors a lot to real life, unfortunately unlike real life, we all have similar capabilities to do the same thing, with time as the only constraint.

              And have you taken NPC sales into account? Where the value of an item does not change no matter what, until Square Enix changes it. At our current economy, with all the risks taken into account, you'll more likely end up with the same amount or just slightly more/slightly less than what you started out with, after everything clears.

              Lastly, this can't be done by anyone. Why?

              3 types of people in this game:

              The rich. They won't do it. Why would they need to? They got their crafts.
              The medium. Not got the gil or the desire to do so. They just play.
              The poor. Want to make gil. But cannot. No startup gil to buy stuff in mass.

              Your 2 item examples are very poor examples. Silent Oils, too many people can make them. Scorpion Harness ... anyone can go KSNM for a claw to have it made, unless you monopolize the source of it (the claw) but even then, crafters buy the claws at a lost anyway and put the product back onto the Auction House. But since the claw come from a variety of places, and aren't cheap, you won't get very many, and by the time you get a few, there's probably 10+ more on the auction house, and the price probably has dropped too.

              The guide in principle works though. It's not really a secret, it's just not viable here. Maybe back in early 2004 it might've been. But not anymore.

              EDIT: And don't tell me you've just went out and brought both items (Scorpion Harness & Peacock Charm). Because according to you, you're fucking rich. 11 days ago you said you needed it. What's stopping you?
              [LadyKiKi]
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              • #8
                Re: So you want some gilz...

                Excalibur > than any other gear in the game for RDM melee its #1 on my list atm, I can already hit everything I swing at so SH and PCC arent really required. If I were to get anything it would be an assault jerkin but that can wait until I have my Excalibur.

                You bring up some valid points which may flaw this however they are easily over come, you can start this with as little as 100K and do it effectively, it dosent need to be en mass all at once. A small stone may only cause a ripple at first but eventually it will become a wave.

                As for clearing Stock there are always ways to clear it, Mule it and wait for prices to rebound once people catch on, move to another item. Either way you slice it chances are people will raise it from the floored price you set and even selling at the genral price again you are already macking Gil over your initial investment.

                As for RMT trying it and failing, this is not true, infact you can check price flux on many items take flame ring and ele staves for example, they just push low and turn around and sell it high. I know because a LS mate just bought 1 ring yesterday for 200K and today he went to get his other one and it is 450K.

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                • #9
                  Re: So you want some gilz...

                  If Excalibur is at the top of your list, then why did you say in the other thread that you are focusing on other things instead of getting your Excalibur in two months as you claim to be able to do?

                  Without SH and PCC I find it hard to believe you hit everything you swing at, unless you are only targeting weaker mobs.

                  Regardless, this is a dickish way to make money. I do just fine by diversifying, and I don't have to work all that hard, or screw other people to do it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: So you want some gilz...

                    OMG! I'm gonna be rich with this strategy!

                    This is so awesome I think it deserves a better name than "ecconomic superiority" though.

                    Hmmm... idea! Let's call it Speculation! Pretty fancy huh?

                    I wonder if I'll be able to buy Excalibur, Mandau and Aegis by next week with this method. Man this is gonna rock.
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                    • #11
                      Re: So you want some gilz...

                      With SH prices as they are, its just plain easy, for you by your 'methods' to recover the price to obtaining it. And why risk 5 less acc and eva than what you can get? Every bit counts with a B rating or lower. Assault Jerkin or Pahluwan Khazagand is the only 'free' alternatives that I see out there. Neckpiece alternatives, Fortitude Torque(acc and atk) and Chivalrous Chain(-5acc, but str+3, store TP+1, def:4 makes it worth it) Breeze Gorget for Savage Blade only.

                      Back to money making at hand. Get a craft to 100 and sell cursed gear. Thats good money alone. Farm EP+ for KS and BC seals do fights for good drops that sell well. Level lolFishing and Cooking, pretty much best money making combo there just because of Sushi and Tacos. Those are you're options that work realistically.
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                      • #12
                        Re: So you want some gilz...

                        Murphie what I said was I am doing other things while I save money for Excalibur.

                        As for your methods, I dont care, I can make money that way too but I like it better when people make money for me. Is it being a dick, I guess so, but thats not my issue, is it. They still make gill and often times faster than they would having it sit on AH for a few days waiting to sell, I simply buy it faster and at a cheaper cost. Then turn around and sell it to others while making money.

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                        • #13
                          Re: So you want some gilz...

                          Originally posted by LadyKiKi View Post
                          This thread will get epic. I swear.
                          QFT




                          Selphie's ffxifarming blog is (IMHO) the way you get "some gilz"

                          (See any of Selphie's posts for web address, sorry I can't post direct link atm).






                          Unless it's Gill's chicken....wow was that some good chicken....too bad I had to move away from Gill's...

                          Last edited by Dranzia; 03-27-2008, 08:56 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: So you want some gilz...

                            This is a good way to make gil that works for alot of people but it also works mostly in spurts. Supply and demand is always the issue with this, If someone is crafting a but load of SH, lets say 20 a week going for that HQ that person alone will pump 15-17 nqs in the AH. Lets say about 20 of these sell a week. Then lets add a few other crafters the only made a few and people that are selling the ones they use cuz they upgraded or whatever. Then the supply is higher then the demand and controlling that market would be a stretch and really spendy high risk thing to do, at that point. Then the next week only 10 go in AH that would be the money making week or whatever, but still... This gil strategy seems like you would need to log on alot.

                            Crafting makes pretty good gil. I myself am not making any Excalibur gil but turn a pretty hefty profit just tapping my synth button at remedy, gold ingots, rr earring or a plethora of many markets that I am apart of on my server. Many days I dont play. It seems that any way to make gil that requires logging in every day or paying too close attention either throught that AH website or being logged on would be daily work even though its comfortable to think thats not working, checking prices, weighing values, and gambling large amounts of gil over given amount of times.

                            Heres another example. Once on Seraph Haguns were like 200 or 400k or something like that. The supply and demand were almost the same. Then someone bought all of them out and did what is explained up above. The value was set to about 1m. The Hagun is still 1 million and the trick only really worked until everyone was selling them at 1 million and now the trick is dead for that person for that item. But that person did make a few million in a short amount of time though now the Hagun is tapped for making gil that way. It can only work in spurts/waves or like you said with the up and down of value over time which takes a long planning stock market watcher type of eye. Most people aren't down with that long term planning stuff even though they are playing a long term kind of game. I appreciate a person being very forward about thier gil ideas. I have considered this myself, I just already have too comfortable way of making gil, not broke by a long shot.
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                            • #15
                              Re: So you want some gilz...

                              Originally posted by MrMageo View Post
                              Murphie what I said was I am doing other things while I save money for Excalibur.

                              As for your methods, I dont care, I can make money that way too but I like it better when people make money for me.
                              That feeling is shared by the rest of the FFXI community for your methods. I realize you're just posting things to post them, because you don't care what we think, and honestly, I suspect you're just trying to see how far you can push things now, but really, it's pretty pathetic.

                              Is it being a dick, I guess so, but thats not my issue, is it. They still make gill and often times faster than they would having it sit on AH for a few days waiting to sell, I simply buy it faster and at a cheaper cost. Then turn around and sell it to others while making money.
                              Yes, this is the natural avenue taken when you alienate enough people with your lies and overall poor attitude.

                              I look forward to seeing you post the details of your Excalibur in two months.

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