Campaign Point Calculation

[Losrase]

Re: Campaign Point Calculation

I easily break 1k exp by solo tanking one mob in Campaign. I been going as Blu67/WHM (for reraise/stoneskin mostly). After Zephyr Mantle, Utsisemi(SP?), and Stoneskin are gone. It is usually me casting Magic Fruit until Utsisemi is up. Looking at the calculation chart, it is no wonder why I get at least 800 exp per Campaign. I thinking of going as BLU/RDM once my BLU hits level 68 so I can use cocoon, Phalanx, and Stoneskin (now that i think of it, do Cocoon and Phalanx stack?).

[Coinspinner]

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do Cocoon and Phalanx stack?).

Yes.

[Solymir]

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Very helpful, thanks for posting it here.

[Restlesstornado]

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From what I've read so far it is harder for melee only jobs (MNK,WAR,SAM,THF,BST,DRG) to good xp in Campaign correct? (At least without subbing a mage job to get some points from other areas.)

[Aksannyi]

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No, I'd say it's the other way around. On WHM it's very hard for me to get xp in Campaign without smacking mobs around, and becaues my club/staff skills are so low, I have shit for accuracy. Which lends itself to making me use up all of my MP for doing damage (Holy ftw), and I'm resting half the run whilst trying to get up enough MP to actually do some damage/cure people. The most I've done in Campaign on WHM is 1400, and that was only because there were three of us taking down one mob at a time for more than half the battle. In the quick paced battles where there are a ton of people smacking away at mobs, it's hard to get a lot of XP on mage jobs.

Melee/mage seems to be the best combination, from what I've read, but coming as a pure mage (which is really all I have) it's a lot harder.

Also, you can't skill up on campaign mobs, which just bites because I need skillups. I guess that's what Besieged is still good for. :/

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Given this information, it sounds like you can focus on filling up to the maximum for certain point categories. But even then, if the battle doesn't last long enough, you'll be limited in the amount of points you can get. For instance, I've been in several campaign battles where I got my allied tags the moment the campaign music started, and the alliance NPCs killed the invading beastmen so quickly that I only came away with 420 exp. This has happened quite a few times, and I have just the first ribbon. I haven't timed those battles, but 7 minutes seems about right, especially given how long you have to wait for the mobs to arrive.

So the longer a battle lasts, the better the odds are that you can get "full credit" for the actions you carried out. For instance, you could probably max out self buffs and other PC buffs before the mobs arrive. The max for those 2 categories combined is 450. However, at Bronze Ribbon of Service, if the battle only lasts 7 minutes, you won't get that full 450.

Last night, I was involved in a very long campaign battle in Pashhow. Due to the length, I actually ran into a situation where I wasn't limited by time. The battle had two waves, and there was a good wait not only before the 1st wave but also between the 1st and 2nd waves. Given that you can get a performance assessment mid battle, I wonder if it's possible to reset the points you've accumulated in each category.

For instance, lets say that the mobs took a good 5 minutes to reach the battle. Could I max out self buffs during that time, get a performance assessment after 5 minutes, claim my 300 points, and then get a new allied tag and fill that 300 point bucket for self buffs again?

If that was the case, I could probably get more points by getting an assessment between waves, and spend the time waiting for the next wave to arrive casting stuff like barfira on myself an Protect 1 on NPCs.

[KingOfZeal]

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I've heard you can get skillups if you don't get tags, but you risk getting killed and losing xp, plus no xp/notes gained. I've never gotten any in either event, so I'm thinking it might cap around the low 60s? I know I heard of people getting them before 62, but not much more after that.

[Chveya]

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For instance, lets say that the mobs took a good 5 minutes to reach the battle. Could I max out self buffs during that time, get a performance assessment after 5 minutes, claim my 300 points, and then get a new allied tag and fill that 300 point bucket for self buffs again?

If that was the case, I could probably get more points by getting an assessment between waves, and spend the time waiting for the next wave to arrive casting stuff like barfira on myself an Protect 1 on NPCs.

This is what I plan to try next time I go to Campaign Battle. Almost everything I do as a WHM has a cap, according to this information. Based on how I play in campaign, I suspect I'm easily reaching the cap on some of these actions in individual waves of battle.

On my 62 WHM, I buff, Haste, use -na spells, Bar- spells, and of course, Cure and Raise as needed. I don't even try to do damage, besides an occasional Banish if all the melee are doing fine on HP. I'm a little disappointed to see the caps on support spells are so limited. And 500 point cap for curing? If the calculations are correct, that's like 8 Cure Vs to reach cap. I know I've been in multi-wave battles where I cast Cure V ten times or more (not to mention all the other tiers of Cure...).

I've been averaging just under 1k exp per battle (on normal length battles), and really enjoying the fights themselves. I like campaign MUCH better than I ever did Besieged. But, it frustrates me that I am now thinking of campaign in terms of maximizing exp, when I was simply enjoying it before, but then again, that's FFXI.

[Zempten]

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It seems like mages may just need to cap out on healing and enfeebling and curing and then just grab new tags and rinse and repeat then to get good exp?

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Spells like Barfira are great for building up some points before battle starts. If you have party members, it counts as a self buff plus as a buff to others.

I tested this tonight. I had one a friend in my party, and used barfira. I waited for a bit longer than a minute, and asked for my evaluation. I received 30 exp for my efforts.