Common mobs with odd properties

[Ziero]

Re: Common mobs with odd properties

I don't agree with classing the mobs as being of a particular job but you can definitely say that certain mobs have abilities and properties which the FFXI Jobs have also. Just because something Double Attacks you can't conclude that it's a WAR or /WAR, I think that's painting too broad a picture. Rather can't you conclude that a mob has MP and Double Attack instead of saying that it's a RDM/WAR?
Also how do levels play into this? If a mob has /WAR does that mean it'll only Double Attack if it's Lv60 or higher?

It's not just one or two Job Traits, it's the fact they gain the *exact* same job traits at the *exact* same lvl as players while having the *exact* same stat growth as PC jobs.

And yes, post 25, any mob that is War or /War will have Double Attack. Anything pre-25 won't.

Yes, there are in fact THF mobs. Soloing Qiqirn rangers in the Aydeewa and linking their THF buddies? I know that I've been triple attacked before, thus killed in one to two attack rounds as BLM. I've Pankemon'd them many times and gotten main job THF, sub job THF, and Triple Attack. So yes, there are THF mobs. I think they're called Qiqirn Leiuter.

It's my fault for not clarifying this but I meant normal, non-beastmen mobs. I know there are a lot of Thf type Beastmen, Gobs and Quads especially like the job, but I was thinking of 'normal' monsters with the Thf job.

[Armando]

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So I'm guessing this is why people don't like the Greater Bird family. I'm guessing their THF or /THF? Or is Triple Attack just a job ability? Those things are friggin evil.. I won't believe they are WAR/RDM until you get proof, lol..

If I'm not mistaken, their "Triple Attack" is actually a 3-hit TP move, not the job trait. The evidence I saw was pretty convincing (they confirmed the level for the Abraxas in question, got its Defense and Evasion, and ran it through the formulas, and they've been said to have both Double Attack and an MP pool) but I intend to look into them myself simply because I like seeing that sort of thing with my own eyes, and also simply because Uleguerand Worms are different, so I'd like to test Altepa rocs too.

So many mob families, so little time. I'd like to test Wyverns as well, since they're a pretty "powerful" mob family by game lore and their levels/TP moves/scarcity.

[WishMaster3K]

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I can probably do Wyverns as RDM, since I'm not sure there are any that a PLD can solo safely.

[How?]

[Armando]

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You need to get the Wyvern's Defense (the Attack number that causes the /check message to go from High Defense to no message is exactly the mob's Defense) and Evasion (add 30 to the Acc amount that causes /check to change from High Eva to no message, or subtract 10 from the Acc amount that causes the message to change from no message to Low Evasion) and you'd need to ascertain the mob's level beyond a shadow of a doubt, usually by killing it and using its EXP to figure it out. But if you can find as many varying levels of Defense/Evasion as there are levels of Wyvern in the zone, then you don't have to kill anything and also grab me multiple numbers (I need the stats for multiple levels because sometimes different combinations can match the same level; but only one combination of jobs and stat ranks will hold true accross all levels.)

I can do all the formula work.

By the way, I like to write down my Evasion checks like this:

X = 88 Club, 53 DEX = 114
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LEVEL 44
163 Attack High Defense
164 Attack Normal Defense
X+2-1 High Evasion
X+2 Normal Evasion
Defense: 164
Evasion: 146

I find it a lot easier than having to recalculate how much Acc is on you when you swap gear, especially if you find yourself having to swap multiple pieces in and out to get that specific amount you want.

[WishMaster3K]

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Gotcha. Now to find some EP-DC Wyverns, lol.. The Lowest level I can find are in the Lab of O. So I'll do that tonight.
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Cancel that. It seems to be a lottery spawn from a labyrinth manticore. I'll just go back to plain ol Hurricane Wyverns.

[Armando]

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Best of luck, and a million thanks.

By the way, Beetles don't have Undead Killer. Damn you, Square-Enix!

Hiatus begins...now.

EDIT: Oh, yes, if you happen to notice that Wyverns (or any other mob for that matter) have nonstandard Delay, and if you can live through it, can you record the TP for each hit the wyvern gives you (starting from 0 and not getting any TP yourself of course) up to the 10th hit? With that, I can find its Delay (hint: the TP the mob gives you is 1/3 of what it gets. In most cases, that's 6.4 TP for the mob and 2.1 for us.)

EDIT2: And be sure to note if it Double Attacks or not, though I'm fairly sure they do ;o

[WishMaster3K]

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Ok, well how about this, what tests can I do without engaging the enemy?

I can do it in two parts- I can find out the Defense and the Evasion and the Delay without taking out my weapon. But to do that I'd probably sub WAR or PLD so that I can get my defensive abilities up. I might be able to do that with NIN sub, but IDK about surviving 10 straight hits with that paper-thin def ; ;

[Callisto]

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You're a RDM, goofball. Take a few hits, Sleep it, Cure yourself, let it wake up, take a few more, rinse, repeat.

[Lmnop]

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Feenicks (maybe?), Kafeen. I'm not going to be mean. I'm not going to tell you why you're wrong.

I will, however, point out that your posts are nothing but a derailing. This thread is half as long as it should be. Armando is trying to make this thread a resource -- an encyclopedia. What you're doing is akin to promoting melee RDM in a thread dedicated to how to efficiently main heal as a RDM.

If you have issues with whether or not you should define monsters by job, I suggest spending time at Studio Gobli with Babblefish at the ready (or, to make it easier, track down translations of their stuff such as Apple Pie threads or the web page in VZX's signature). If you cannot understand what's going on when you're through with all that knowledge, if your view of FFXI is still that of "you'd think they'd go for simple," then you have no place to make claims against someone putting in as much hard work as Armando.

[WishMaster3K]

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I was going to get some remedies for the journey, but I'm just going to bring reraise, because I'm sure that if Dread Shriek hits me, I'm just fuckin dead.

[Callisto]

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You shouldn't need to do it more than 2-3 times to test it, if you want to be really safe I suggest not engaging, just letting it whack you 3-4 times, sleeping, Cure, repeat, then once you get to 10 hits check how much TP you have, Sleep 2, logout so it despawns. It shouldn't WS right when it hits 100% if you don't have it down to low health, no chance of eating Dead Shriek/Fang Rush/Radiant Breath.
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Add: If you won't be getting around to this in the next night or two I can do it, I have to go out to IC to farm a Haku eye anyways.

[WishMaster3K]

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No I'm heading there now. I planned on doing the Def test and such and TP tests, but I have to KILL IT to find out what level it was. Grendal took em down, but they didn't do Dread Shriek not once. So I doubt I'll be that lucky.

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I'm just going to Sleep nuke. I don't feel like taking my swords out when I might die for the sake of science, lol..

[Yellow Mage]

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Out of curiosity, are the any mobs that are Blue Mages? That question has always been bugging my mind, because when you think about it, it's sort of a paradox . . .

Also, any Dancer or Scholar mobs released yet?

[Taskmage]

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No I'm heading there now. I planned on doing the Def test and such and TP tests, but I have to KILL IT to find out what level it was. Grendal took em down, but they didn't do Dread Shriek not once. So I doubt I'll be that lucky.

Meh, barblizzard, barpara, stack of remedy drop. If you don't wanna, I might have a go at it.

Out of curiosity, are the any mobs that are Blue Mages? That question has always been bugging my mind, because when you think about it, it's sort of a paradox . . .
Also, any Dancer/Scholar mobs released yet?

The only obviously blu mobs are mamool ja mimickers. You could make an arguement for colibri being blu since they essentially "learn" spells from us and send them back. That'd be a bit of a stretch maybe, but don't blus have nearly identical base stat growth compared to rdm?

[WishMaster3K]

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OK. Here are partial results. I had to go back to my MH because I forgot THE GOD DAMNED NINJA TOOLS.

Hurrican Wyvern I
Tough
With 326 Attack, I got "High Defense"
With 328 Attack, no message

Sword Skill 252
No Acc Gear (and with my STR being only 60) I got HE + HD
Acc + 3, the Accuracy message was gone.

I'm on the way back so I'll try to kill one this time. Voivre is up tho, so I suppose he's going to be roaming around for a bit.