Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

[Ockman]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

No. PS3's don't have 100% backwards compatibility. They say so in the manual, online, and probably even on the box. Assuming that every copy of every PS2 game you own will work on PS3 is being naive.

I am going to restate word for word something I just said in another post...

Like say, I have the original black border copy of God of War, or shadow of the collisus, and they both play on PS3 just fine. Isn't it reasonable to assume that the greatest hits versions of those games would work as well?

Also, BC is not an issue. I've already said multiple times that FFXI does in fact work on PS3. There is something different that makes this title not be recognized by the ps2 system as a HDD compatible game.

[Balfree]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

Sorry Ockman, but unless the game says its fully compatible, then it is not and you can't do much about it. If the game aint running on your PS3, there really isnt much you can do about it.

The hiss fight going on is your own business.

[Prons]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

I think it's only natural for people to assume the PS2 Vanadiel 2008 collection would work on the PS3. I mean, it is the Vana Diel 2008 collection. I can see why some people would assume it'd work on PS3. I myself though, am a 360 player and got it for the 360.

[Caspian]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

Have you tried calling support? You'll have to wait until Friday, but they might be able to tell you something. Hell, it might be something that they're planning on fixing with a firmware upgrade sometime soon.

[Raydeus]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

This sucks, along with the PS3 80gb installation issues, and it's probably something a PS3 patch has to fix.

SE and Sony really need to work this out or a lot of players are gonna get screwed with this when they try to upgrade from PS2 to PS3. Or players can simply upgrade to X360 instead and send Sony to hell.


PS > I'm a Sony fanboy most of the times (I'll never let go of my PS3) but this kinda stupid issues are the kinda thing that would make me buy a 360 instead if I was playing XI on a console.


Edit > Also, SE get a clue and release a PS3 version already, the PS2 version simply isn't compatible anymore and the PS3 upgrade is needed anyway.

[Malacite]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

I seriously hope the people who screwed up the PC shipment got fired...

EDIT: Looks like they fucked up the 360 one too.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews11955.shtml

We have confirmed that due to a manufacturing error, the registration codes for the Xbox 360 version of Vana'diel Collection 2008 contain both uppercase and lower case letters.

Please be aware that upon attempting to enter the registration code, the system only allows capital letters.

For those of you who are having difficulties registering the Vana'diel Collection 2008 for the Xbox 360 version, please ignore the case of the letters and enter the entire registration code in upper case.

If you still cannot register the registration code included in Vana'diel Collection 2008 for the Xbox version, then please contact our PlayOnline Information Center.

PlayOnline Information Center
(858) 790-7529 (PLAY)
Monday through Friday
9:00 - 18:00 (PST)

*North American PlayOnline Information Center will be open on Nov. 22 through Nov. 25 from 9:00am - 6:00pm Pacific Time to accompany the release of the "Wings of the Goddess" expansion.

SE has lost a lot of face in my eyes these past few days...

[Ockman]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

Well I've called square-enix's support, and they basically said it's up to sony to fix any compatibility issues like that. >_< So yeah, hopefully sony will release an updated ps2 system data file, or fix this in a new update soon =(

[Prons]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

I seriously hope the people who screwed up the PC shipment got fired...

EDIT: Looks like they fucked up the 360 one too.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews11955.shtml



SE has lost a lot of face in my eyes these past few days...

Thanks for posting this, but I really have to wonder... how on earth could they MESS that up?! It seems like all the versions of the game got shafted. PC got shipped late, PS2 version doesn't work on PS3, 360 has it's codes in the wrong capitals.

[bungiefan]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

So far, it looks like there's only one fix, and it can be expensive for PS3 users. Until Sony fixes the BC compatability problem that makes it not run the POL installer on the collection disc, the only way to get it to work is to install PlayOnline from the US PS2 launch install CD that came with the HDD, or from the Promathia or Aht Urhgan install discs. Those work to install it, and then you can boot POL from the hard drive and run the Install option in the menu to install FFXI and the expansions from the 08 collection disc.

Of course, that means you need to buy or borrow those install discs, and possibly get another reg code you won't use.

The disc works fine on an actual PS2, which seems to point that the disc is just a quick conversion of the JP all-in-one install disc (which would only really be tested on PS2s for proper compatability), and Sony's BC programming isn't working to the standard the PS2 software was programmed for. As they can't update a PS2 if tricks to make the disc work on a PS3 broke the disc working on PS2, it would tick off the Japanese customer base. PS3 can at least be patched, so Sony can address this issue, but who knows how soon that will be.

EDIT:

Reports of people using my fix are getting it working for 20 GB and 60 GB PS3 models, but the 80 GB PS3 still errors on reboot after choosing to install from inside PlayOnline Viewer after it was installed from an earlier PS2 disc. 80 GB PS3s cannot use the 2008 Collection disc at all at this point in time, from such reports. Sony is staying silent about when/if a compatability patch will be released, like tehir previous compatability patches.

[Aidryen]

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I have this game o my Ps3, hopefully I don't have any problems installing WoTG onto it, but then again I have the original discs that I used to install onto the Ps3.

[Feba]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

Like say, I have the original black border copy of God of War, or shadow of the collisus, and they both play on PS3 just fine. Isn't it reasonable to assume that the greatest hits versions of those games would work as well?

No. I can play many Windows games that are more or less popular than FFXI, such as WoW, Guild Wars, EVE Online, Half-life 2 (and associated online games), City of Heros, on my Linux box via Wine, but I have absolutely no expectation that FFXI will work on Wine. Why? Because FFXI was not made for Wine. FFXI never promised me it would work in Wine, or if it did that there wouldn't be problems. Nor did Wine say it would do anything Windows could. Now yes, I'd be happy if FFXI worked, but I have absolutely no expectation of it because there was no compatibility promised or implied.

The case is the same with the PS3. If you want to play PS2 games, yes, it will work for many, but there are some cases where it will not, and you just have to live with it, or get a PS2 (along with whatever peripherals the game requires).

The only people that have a good reason to bitch right now would be Wii owners that can't play Gamecube games, but that should be unpossible because of the way the Wii hardware was made. No other platform has promised full backwards compatibility, and it shouldn't be expected of them

[Ockman]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

No. I can play many Windows games that are more or less popular than FFXI, such as WoW, Guild Wars, EVE Online, Half-life 2 (and associated online games), City of Heros, on my Linux box via Wine, but I have absolutely no expectation that FFXI will work on Wine. Why? Because FFXI was not made for Wine. FFXI never promised me it would work in Wine, or if it did that there wouldn't be problems. Nor did Wine say it would do anything Windows could. Now yes, I'd be happy if FFXI worked, but I have absolutely no expectation of it because there was no compatibility promised or implied.
The case is the same with the PS3. If you want to play PS2 games, yes, it will work for many, but there are some cases where it will not, and you just have to live with it, or get a PS2 (along with whatever peripherals the game requires).
The only people that have a good reason to bitch right now would be Wii owners that can't play Gamecube games, but that should be unpossible because of the way the Wii hardware was made. No other platform has promised full backwards compatibility, and it shouldn't be expected of them

You must be thinking of xbox 360, because in the case of PS3 with the 60gb and 20gb models, complete backward compatibility was always implied. As far as I know, there arent any major titles for ps2/ps1 that dont work on those models. Maybe some real obscure titles dont though.

That's irrelavent anyway, cuz this is not some BC issue at all. The new vana'diel collection actually DOES work, it's just the ps2 system data on the playstation store is out of date, and doesn't recognize the newly released vana'diel collection, or wings of the goddess expansion as HDD compatible ps2 games, so it never gives the option to do a game partition on the ps3 hdd. That's the only thing holding people back, because POL won't recognize that the ps3 has a hard drive until that game partition is created.

Which is why for the moment, and it's already been said to work, that if someone were to put in one of their old FFXI discs, like the original POL disc, or chains of promathia, or aht urhgan, it would recognize them as one of the HDD compatible titles, and offer the option for a game partition. Which then would allow you to install POL, and then you can go into POL, and install the vana'diel collection under the install option in POL.

This argument you keep pushing for, i really dont understand. The game actually works, it's not some backward compatibility issue. It's just on it's own right now that the vana'diel collection isn't recognized as a HDD compatible game. It's probably gonna be fixed in a ps2 system data update, but this topic was neccessary since it was an unexpected problem for all of us.

I talked with a rep from square-enix yesterday, and they said that it should work on the 60gb model, but the whole HDD game partition is a glitch I think they didn't foresee, and sony needs to release an update to the ps2 system data for people to install the vana'diel collection on it's own.

[shawnzinator]

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I am having the exact same problem as you Ockman. This is completely rediculous.

[Feba]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

As far as I know, there arent any major titles for ps2/ps1 that dont work on those models.

Hello? Did you not pay any attention to PS3 launch? There must've been two or three dozen titles that didn't work, at least a dozen popular ones among them.

If you bought new electronics shortly after their release, you deserve what you get, honestly. Especially the ones with hype, they have even more problems than normal.

[Malacite]

Re: Nooo! They screwed up the PS2 Vana'diel Collection 2008

If you bought new electronics shortly after their release, you deserve what you get, honestly. Especially the ones with hype, they have even more problems than normal.

>. > I've yet to have any problems with my Wii or PS3