Will Al Zahbi be Thrown to the Wolves?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Everyone bitching about the same damn things again

• To do almost anything in this game: Mages, Tanks, and DD's are needed they all have their places. People bitch that Paladin and Black Mage get no ToAU loving. Personally fighting vts on Pld made for less deaths and faster exp, I also made the effort to put together a Burn set up and have had little to no problems. Black Mages got alot of burnable and soloable mobs in ToAU and can pull some serious exp/hr out there.

If you really believe what you just said, then I'm certain you, as a WAR, would have no issues in inviting your PLDs to LS merit PTs for buffer? You would static with BLMs being levelled up to ensure they got to 75 quickly as opposed to expecting them to solo alllllll they way from low level. Because, if you don't static with them, they will have ot solo.

See, Endgame/HNMLSes LOVE to have PLDs and BLMs, but my observations have revealed most people couldn't give two shits about meritting with either of them. BLM has a pot of gold at the end of thier rainbow - its called Mount Z, but its a hell of a crawl to get there and now you have all these SCHs that breezed by on Main Heal and are crawling all over that area now too. PUPs sometimes as well.

If endgame LSes care about keeping these critical jobs, they need to support them. PLDs in particular have EVERY right to bitch about not getting merit PTs, they take on more death at endgame than most of the other jobs do.

Rangers being punished by ToAU, Hi guys this is the game calling, the majority of the merit mobs are weak to peircing and flying, please learn to make those arrow burns again and watch how much exp/hr you get.

Hello, this is reality calling, this never happened during ToA. Do I need to bring VZX and other RNGs in here? We got our accuracy fixed - which SE was quite content to leave broken for almost two years - but we still didn't have the ability to keep up with merit PTs until days before WotG came out and we got Velocity Shot.

Took two and a half years to get arrowburn back and it never happened during ToA.

And again, we were punished for what happened in RoZ/CoP camps and forced to deal with it for far too long. FFXI's RNG nerf is legendary for its overkill in the MMO community. Accuracy formula left broken for almost two years. TWO YEARS. Meanwhile all the other jobs are given what was taken away from it. That's horseshit.

It may be in the past now, but the hypocrisy of the design and the impact of the nerf is still felt today to an extent.

If anyone had asked what life would be like if everyone could burn, anyone that did arrownburn back in RoZ/CoP could have told you how pointless it would be for RDM to enfeeble. SMNs would tell you they were a curebot and nothing but. And all of them would tell you the common prey was VT, that skillchains did not exist and that the RNGs tanked just as much as the PLD or NIN did.

Sound familiar?

Its ancient history, the difference now is that these issues are more widely felt by the community that when it was exclusive to a handful of jobs.

You guys got what you wanted, now we're trying to find a way to fight it because you also learned what my BRD learned back then - these PTs get monotonus and boring. There were days I'd turn down arrowburn because it made my BRD feel like nothing more than a puller. I'd take PTs that allowed me to cycle different buffs. I'd take the "slower" PTs, yeah.

And I had fun.

It just stopped being fun when i realized I was a merit tool and balladbot at endgame.

[Sevv]

Re: Everyone bitching about the same damn things again

[/LIST]If you really believe what you just said, then I'm certain you, as a WAR, would have no issues in inviting your PLDs to LS merit PTs for buffer? You would static with BLMs being levelled up to ensure they got to 75 quickly as opposed to expecting them to solo alllllll they way from low level. Because, if you don't static with them, they will have ot solo.

Actually, I help my Paladins get their buffers back once a week on Warrior or Bard. Pld/Nin burn was one of the better ways in terms of fun. The last few people who leveled Black Mage to 75 in my ls I helped them on my Bard in their manaburn static. BBQ you know that I tend to help my linkshell members out so, if this was meant to try and get me to say no, just used it on the wrong end gamer.

See, Endgame/HNMLSes LOVE to have PLDs and BLMs, but my observations have revealed most people couldn't give two shits about meritting with either of them. BLM has a pot of gold at the end of thier rainbow - its called Mount Z, but its a hell of a crawl to get there and now you have all these SCHs that breezed by on Main Heal and are crawling all over that area now too. PUPs sometimes as well.

If endgame LSes care about keeping these critical jobs, they need to support them. PLDs in particular have EVERY right to bitch about not getting merit PTs, they take on more death at endgame than most of the other jobs do.

Some linkshells do support them, like my linkshell does. Some people could really care less about others just like in real life, no leader or officer can force members to party with paladins or black mages.

Hello, this is reality calling, this never happened during ToA. Do I need to bring VZX and other RNGs in here? We got our accuracy fixed - which SE was quite content to leave broken for almost two years - but we still didn't have the ability to keep up with merit PTs until days before WotG came out and we got Velocity Shot.

Took two and a half years to get arrowburn back and it never happened during ToA.

Well damn, I must have been doing something wrong leveling my rng. Those birds pre velocity shot sure as hell went down fast rngx4 pld rdm.

And again, we were punished for what happened in RoZ/CoP camps and forced to deal with it for far too long. FFXI's RNG nerf is legendary for its overkill in the MMO community. Accuracy formula left broken for almost two years. TWO YEARS. Meanwhile all the other jobs are given what was taken away from it. That's horseshit.

It may be in the past now, but the hypocrisy of the design and the impact of the nerf is still felt today to an extent.

Are you still going on about this? I would think after hundreds of posts about this you may be over it by now.

[Ziero]

Re: Everyone bitching about the same damn things again

No, they're worse and worse in proportion, at that. BRD is levelled for merits and generally geared with no respect to its specialization. Melees used to put some thought in to accuracy gear, but now even at merit levels they're crying to BRDs and CORs for accuracy buffs on mobs they should be able to hit just fine on their own.

And you're full of it. There have always, always, ALWAYS been a glut of crappy players who could not do anything without specific party members. Only *good* players ever put any thought into gear, then and now. To say TP burns dumbed down the populace, when the populace was already borderline retarded is just a fallacy.

[i]Look, dimwit, they nerfed TWO JOBs - one to the point it was completely broken for TWO YEARS, the other only was marginally effected by gradual, built up NM magic resistance. Then not eight months later after the totally destroyed RNG, they turn around and say "Hey, TP burn is OK and we're not punishing the other jobs for it, oh, and BLMs we're fucking you over from 55 to 75."

I'm talking about BLATANT HYPOCRISY in design and execution. Either burns are bad or burns are good. I'm talking about what was unfair. The nerf itself was a slap in the face, ToA added insult to injury by letting others enjoy what RNG was punished for.

Funny, cause all of my Rng friends seemed to have no problem blowing crap away. And every pt I've had with a decently equiped Rng had them always pulling hate, even from good Plds and other Heavy DDs. I mean with all those squishy birds and mobs weak to piercing, I never saw a Rng suffer too much in ToAU.

Apparently you're forgetting those days where the *only* jobs that could burn were War at 75 in sky, Mnk at 75 on bones, Blm at almost any lvl and Rng at almost any lvl. There were people who would not Exp unless you had at least two Rngs in the pt, oh, and a Brd.

Either you're chronically unemployed or you don't get it. Even with friends, this is a bitch and a half to plan around given all the other stuff that must be organized and planned around.

You. Got. Lucky. Period.

Actually I've been working a 40 hour a week job for the past 6 years and don't even play FFXI every day. But it's not hard to go to your LS, find people with lvl 60ish jobs and tell them "We're doing Assaults every Thisday and Thatday". You then drag anyone who doesn't have all their other points to get them (I've gotten every one over a dozen times now) and then *stick to the plan*. Every Thisday and this time you get on, with your gear and drag any LS member who wants to go into Assaults. You don't need 6, you can choose your missions after you get your members and then you go and do them. And then every Thatday, you repeat the process. If there are times you don't have enough then you skip one day but try again the next.

LUCK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

The majority of mages and tanks disagree with you. And pardon me for being so bold, our jobs are far more crucial to this game than the dime-a-dozen melee.

Is that the heart of it all? Your personal diva complex?

You clearly don't know shit about PLD, NIN, BLM, RNG or BST's situation. Have you even soloed a level before. BLM used to get PTs from the Dunes onward, now they're hardly invited for that stretch of the game. If they are invited, they are invited as healers.

Actually I solo all the time. It's slow, it's risky, but it's how I prefer to exp because I don't like dealing with random idiots. Infact I was soloing on my 29 Drk just last night on Sheep in past Gusta. Got near two lvls while I waited for LS members to gear up their 30ish jobs so we can pt. It was a group I set up that day by asking "Anyone have any lvl 30ish jobs they want to lvl?" People said "Sure, just not at the moment" so I went and soloed until a friend logged on, then me and him joined a pt of random people...then left that pt cause they were idiots who had no clue what they were doing, then joined up with 3 others from my LS and my NPC and C5'd T-IT sahagin with only one healer. It was, by all intensive purposes, a TP burn at lvl 30 and we made well over 10k in the hour we were pt. At one point, myself as a Drk/War, the Drg/War and the Nin trioed an IT Mnk Sahagin while the healer and other DD were AFK.

So, stop assuming things. K?

Do you think I like them in my camps soloing as a BST any more than I enjoy getting completely ignored for invites while I have my flag up? Think I like it any better that I'm totally not wanted as a BST for endgame? Shit, your THF is just tagged in to get on the hate list for drops at the end, that must thrill you. That's a pretty cushy gig, not even having to fight the mob and being totally replaced by /THF sub.

Seeing as how I do everything with friends I get to enjoy my TH whoring. Though I will admit that I do love being able to pretty much solo some assaults due to my Thfy awesomeness. Not everyone and everything in this game is about killing the biggest and the baddest and getting the best gear. I have the most fun when I do things with my friends.

God forbid PTs be any fun.

You're totally on your own page, man. No one is demanding PTs be "fun," we're asking for PTs to employ real strategy and mechanics again. We want PTs to be involving and interesting - that is not the same thing as "fun."

TP burns ARE a real strategy and mechanic in this game. It's going after weaker mobs to maximize the PC to Mob stat ratio in the players favor, and killing them in quick succession to maximize the Exp per kill through constant chains. And as far as I'm concerned a good TP burn is more involving then a slower pt because it means I have to always be paying attention.

People who take up tank jobs, you know, tend to like TANKING. Asking a TANK to DD is as awkward asking a BLM to main heal. If I were to come to your job (assuming you have one) and suggest you started working the opposite of your intended hired position instead of what you were hired for, wouldn't that just throw you off a little.

People want to so what they signed up for. Variety is fine, but not so long as it constantly strays from your intended role.

Well gee, I didn't know that Exp was the only thing in this game a Pld could tank. I guess that all those missions and NMs and HNMs and besiege and assaults and campaigns and quests and BCNMs and ISNM and Nyzul and Salvage and Dynamis and Limbus etc etc etc don't count as tanking then huh? I mean forgive me for not being too upset when, for this one situation, we ask the Pld to drop the shield, grab a second sword, throw on a Hauby and go to town on some mobs so they can get the fastest exp possible.

Time is also not skill. Beating Proto-Omega once is just as hard as beating him 100 times (in fact, the first kill is the hardest because you don't have any of the drops or as much experience with the fight), but it won't equip your linkshell nearly as well for the next mob to come along. The same applies to all other mobs and content.

Actually I feel that a LS that can consistently take down all the big mobs in the game has accomplished something. It's certainly not easy to make, and keep, one of those LS's going.

There's really no reason not to make HNM drops 100% (or even give every member a ticket for the reward of their choice, the way avatar fights work already) - a group who beats DL repeatedly isn't any more worthy than someone who beats him once, they just have more time to throw at the problem. Making Shadow Mantle a random drop makes *exactly* as much sense as making Fenrir summon a random drop. So why did SE do one and not the other?

Because the Avatars give crap rewards compared to many of these HNMs? But I mean sure, why not, lets just give everyone the best gear in the game, that'll certainly make things more fun...right?

Why should those types of parties make less exp per hour than a meleeburn? And why should the differences be so huge?

Why shouldn't SE adjust the exp system so that *different kinds of parties* can make *similar* exp/hr? Even if they don't get it exactly identical for every party setup (and even if some setups deserve to fail - although I would include setups with no tank or hate control and few defensive jobs in the "deserve to fail" category, myself, so maybe this principle should be applied sparingly), there's tremendous room for improvement.

As long as Exp gain in Exp pts is dependant solely on killing a mob, then the best pts for Exping in will be those who kill the fastest. And until there is a massive overhaul in the way things exp...and not something simple like adding an Exp bonus to SCs, I mean like making it more like how you gain Exp in Besiege or Campaign...then fast killing, all go no slow, DD heavy Exp pts will always be the best.

But from your comments, it seems you want to go back to the days of not being able to make an Exp pt because you can't find two healers and a tank.

SE could introduce even godlier exp rings at the same time and give everyone more total exp/hr, or reduce exp requirements again and knock merits down to 5k limit points so you actually did more to advance your character even with less exp/hr - it wouldn't matter, as long as different party setups were closer together, I'd be happier with it. You getting good exp doesn't *have* to be defined in reference to other jobs (or people without as much gear to throw at the problem) getting crappy exp.

All of those ideas would also increase the Exp gained by TP burns exponentially. So the gap would still be there, it's just the lower common denominator would be raised. Though fyi, a good traditional party can still rake in tons of Exp as well.

If you agree that "not everyone has the same idea of fun", then why should the best exp/hr rates be reserved for a very narrow range of party setups that many jobs are just not welcome in, and others perform poorly at best?

Because it's already been proven that most jobs are fully capable of succeeding in TP burn situations? If these jobs aren't getting invites, it's not because of the job, it's because of the player base's misconceptions. See: Drgs pre ToAU.[/QUOTE]

I have to say that what I resent the most is the implication that just because a job can meleeburn in theory, even if it's by doing something completely different than they signed up on the job to do, that they not only should, but should at the very least should feel neutral about it, if not be awed by the numbers passing by. "Not everyone has the same idea of fun"? That's exactly my point! Why are you using that argument to claim that we're wrong for liking something you don't like and wanting to be able to do it without those like you ganging up and beating on us in the playground corner?

You're "wrong" for saying that just because something that isn't fun, but still highly beneficial to you, while being fun and highly beneficial to the majority of the player base is somehow some sort of broken, exploited, gimp-producing problem that is in horrible need of fixing.

Whenever some newb comes in here and tells us he wants to be a War/Blm with a staff because "it's fun to him" we reply "No, don't do that, use a Gaxe, it's better for you and your pt". Why do we do that? Because we want to ensure he's at his maximum potential as well as any PT he joins. So when you come in and complain "I want to only do traditional parties cause it's more fun!" people say "Do TP burns, they're better for you and your PT." Just like a Staff wielding War/Blm is limited by the numbers in game, Traditional Exp pts are also limited by the numbers in game. Until there is some way to gain Exp through defensive means, then a slower, tank/x2 support based exp pt will never gain the amount of Exp as a TP burn.

Here's a thought for those of you who think that everything is going as planned: if SE intended for zero-downtime meleeburn dominance to happen, then why did they introduce BLU in the same expansion as imps and colibri? -- Pteryx

Because Blu rock on both of those moreso then many DDs. Hell Imps and Colibri are killer on Sams, Thfs, Drks and such. Locking of JAs and WS while eating our food AND Tp, these mobs are made to give Melees a hard time. But Blus can get around those problems without any effort.

You guys got what you wanted, now we're trying to find a way to fight it because you also learned what my BRD learned back then - these PTs get monotonus and boring. There were days I'd turn down arrowburn because it made my BRD feel like nothing more than a puller. I'd take PTs that allowed me to cycle different buffs. I'd take the "slower" PTs, yeah.

ALL Exp PTs get monotonus and boring. Even in a Traditional SC+MB pt it still just comes down to players waiting and pressing the same old macros time and time again. If anything TP burns are more exciting because there is no downtime, there is no "(|Let's rest for a while|)" after every 3-4 kills, you're constantly fighting and you're constantly moving, all the while your Tnl is dropping like a rock without you even realizing it. So please, tell me exactly what is so refreshing and exciting about making the same old SC, using the same old songs and resting every every few fights.

[Pteryx]

Re: Will Al Zahbi be Thrown to the Wolves?

There are lots of people who do

Then why is it that the majority of time when I seek in a pair and both of our comments refer to each other's name, level, TNL, and say {Are you alone?} X, 80% of the invites we get are for only one of us? The emphasis couldn't be any greater in the space provided.

While not being a direct translation, it is well understood.

So how do I get across that I'm interested in manaburns and not meleeburns in the space provided in a way that isn't liable to confuse JPs, then?

So your jobist!

...No, I just want a party where people stop once in a while and don't grumble when MP becomes an issue. If it's because their MP is the issue instead of mine, that'd do it. Thus, I see both trad-parties and manaburns as perfectly good options, and meleeburn as not.

There will always be a current standards, like parting without a black mage back in the day was gimping yourself. People do it and will always work to playing to the standard, you have to build your parties to cut your seeking time.

How am I supposed to build a party when only meleeburn elitists seek? I don't want to put together a front line only for them to drop party the instant they see the BLM, or demand that the BLM heal even though I'm there, or scream bloody murder or just keep pulling the first time a mage needs to sit for more than one tick.

I am using that arguement because, the non-meleeburn people are the ones who bitch and want nerf's on ever damn thread. I have always said and stood behind play your way, it is not always going to be the most popular so you may have to work for it. Working for it is not bitching for a nerf and crying like emo kids.

A nerf is one way the system could be made fair, and the simplest. A system in which party styles are vastly imbalanced and in the dominant one THFs must struggle to use their JAs at all and can't close skillchains, RDMs never get to enfeeble, WHMs are third choice for healing, BLMs can't magic burst or even attempt to seek each other out lest they be invited to heal, PLDs can't tank, BRDs can't get a moment's peace, SMNs can't summon, BLUs can't get parties at all, and sticking to a preference for wanting to do any of the above will get you no invites instead of an invite to a ghetto party isn't what I'd call a fair system. I would be open to other ways to make the system fair -- for instance, a parallel seek system so meleeburners don't see non-meleeburn seekers and thus have no chance of assuming they're doing them a favor by inviting them to a meleeburn.

Blu actually is very mp efficent if you don't spam your spells,

And then you can't keep up with everyone else's damage output.

also being a jack of all trades, it can fill alot of spots.

Which also call for MP usage, which is a sin in meleeburn. -- Pteryx

[Ziero]

Re: Will Al Zahbi be Thrown to the Wolves?

How am I supposed to build a party when only meleeburn elitists seek? I don't want to put together a front line only for them to drop party the instant they see the BLM, or demand that the BLM heal even though I'm there, or scream bloody murder or just keep pulling the first time a mage needs to sit for more than one tick.

Invite people you know? I mean if this is such a major complaint that people are calling for a nerf to something which can help everyone get through one of the biggest grindfests in this game just a bit faster, then it shouldn't be as impossible as you say to build an old fashion party.

A nerf is one way the system could be made fair, and the simplest. A system in which party styles are vastly imbalanced and in the dominant one THFs must struggle to use their JAs at all and can't close skillchains, RDMs never get to enfeeble, WHMs are third choice for healing, BLMs can't magic burst or even attempt to seek each other out lest they be invited to heal, PLDs can't tank, BRDs can't get a moment's peace, SMNs can't summon, BLUs can't get parties at all, and sticking to a preference for wanting to do any of the above will get you no invites instead of an invite to a ghetto party isn't what I'd call a fair system. I would be open to other ways to make the system fair -- for instance, a parallel seek system so meleeburners don't see non-meleeburn seekers and thus have no chance of assuming they're doing them a favor by inviting them to a meleeburn.

A nerf to hurt the majority so the minority can have a bit more fun doing something that's always going to be monotonous and boring? Yea, no thanks. Exp is one small facet of this game that serves a major purpose but is not nearly what people should be focused on. If a player can't adapt slightly for this one situation that will allow them to participate in the other 90% of this game's activities then they're the ones with the problem. "Meleeburns", as you keep calling them, can work with almost every job in the game, where as Traditional parties *can't* work without very specific classes. And I don't know about you, but I would rather be able not have to call off a pt with 5 members just because there's no Pld or Nin seeking, or because we can't grab a Brd or a Rdm...which btw, still happens.

There are plenty of other places a Thf can close SCs, a Rdm can enfeeble, a Pld can tank and a Brd can sit on their ass, but when I'm in an exp party, I want exp. The faster the better, so I can leave that grind and go do something else. Regardless of whether it's done through a traditional party or a tp burn.

[Sevv]

Re: Will Al Zahbi be Thrown to the Wolves?

Want balance lets take every class and make them into 3:

Mage - Cast all magic
Tank - A paladin fused with a 75 ninja
DD- does all damage hits at one speed for the same amount of damage, with the same acc, ws for a set amount.

Gear and weapons! they dont affect anything, just for looks!

Also you cant exp or do anything without 2 mages 1 tank and 3 dd, anything also you don't level or merit just a shell, but its even!

[Kitalrez]

Re: Will Al Zahbi be Thrown to the Wolves?

Is one of you going to draw blood soon? I mean, seriously, this is like the most boring fight I've ever witnessed. Almost seems like the 10 minute pre-match chest thumping you get on "pro" wrestling matches.

"You will RUE THE DAY you hid the remote from THE FLATULATOR!"

[Nuriko]

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Rue the day? Who TALKS like that?

[BurningPanther]

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Rue the day? Who TALKS like that?

I DO, thank you very much.


You will RUE the day you mocked my chosen manner of speech.

[Yellow Mage]

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I didn't like where this thread was going. But now I do.

[Aksannyi]

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This felt somehow appropriate:

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[Lunaryn]

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Way too much stuff that's just too stupid or way out there to respond to fully. I'll just simply take issue with Ziero's pulling out of context Karinya's suggestion of a system-wide xp buff and criticizing it as pointless because it buffs meleeburn too, then going on to trash any suggestion of an xp/hr nerf on meleeburn as unfairly punishing people who are just looking to get past the worst part of the game faster.

An xp/hr nerf on meleeburn is the most obvious and cleanest way to bring the disparity down without potentially skewing the system in other ways. Either the XP return of favored mobs (imps, colibri) has to be reduced (say a 0.8 xp mod for each of those families), or they need an increase in HP to lower kill speed, or both. These are clean, low-impact changes that would alleviate the vast disparity and exclusive focus surrounding these camps.

This brings up the argument that XP takes too long to make progress and that slowing things back down again is horrible and unfair to people who dislike xp/meripo, etc. Which is precisely why Karinya deliberately married such a nerf to an across-the-board buff, including meleeburn in the above examples. Whether xp/hr is nerfed locally and then inflated globally or whether xp/hr stays lowered but xp/level and xp/merit go down, the goal is to, as cleanly as possible, prevent the xp/hr nerf on meleeburn from significantly impacting progress/time in the more general sense.

I'm hoping you missed that rather than choosing to deliberately ignore it. At any rate our goal here isn't to make you progress slower. This is an issue we have with relative, not absolute, rate issues.

(Not that absolute rate issues aren't worthy of some discussion. The overall degradation in competence I mentioned in another post tracks the rise in ubiquity of PLs at corresponding levels. And we've reached a point where it's almost a given that any party up to the 50s or so has at least one member with a two-boxed PL. However, lowering xp curve at high levels or xp/limit wouldn't likely affect job competence the way lowering xp curve at low levels might.)

[Karinya]

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Wow, just when I thought this thread was hopeless, someone understood my point.

Absolute rate issues are dangerous to bring up because of the Legion of Whiners (some of whom are on this thread already, because they confuse absolute and relative exp rate issues). I happen to think that SE should give the Legion a boot to the body part of their choice and improve balance even in unpopular ways, but SE seems to disagree, possibly on financial grounds.

Anyway, relative exp rates of different parties/camps (and the jobs that fit into them) are obviously a very serious problem.

I like the "rarely killed mobs bounty" idea that someone proposed upthread, but it seems kind of difficult and complicated to implement - especially if you also want to publicize the bounties so players can take better advantage of them. If it worked it'd be darn near self-balancing, though, at least as far as mob/camp balance is concerned, and improve the variety of exp/merit camps hugely. Then the only jobs that would be unwanted are ones that are weak in *all* situations, which honestly I don't think there are any of.

I don't know if I've mentioned it yet in this thread, but Sanction still needs some kind of adjustment, either a direct nerf, *much* tougher besieged taking the AC out of the Empire much more often, or significant buffs to the alternatives. Sanction is made of win right now, to an excessive degree that even without all the other considerations, makes Empire camps dominate all others. Mamool ja may not inherently be that much easier than Bibiki gobs - but they give 15% more exp than a same level gob and you get free refresh, so who wants to fight the gobs?

[BurningPanther]

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A variation on the "rare mob bounty" idea might be to shuffle about the bonuses normally associated with Signet/Sanction/Sigil, and swap them according average population of camps in their respective regions.

Much like the rare bounty concept, the idea would be to move around the bonuses of Sanction to regions of lower camp popularity. An example would be that since exp camps in Signet areas are of lower popularity, the Sanction bonus would be transferred to Signet, meanwhile, Signet's bonus(TP retention, smaller-party exp bonus), would be swapped over to Sanction, for a pre-determined period of time.

This way, the bonuses that contribute to Sanction areas' popularity are occasionally given to Signet and Sigil areas, thereby increasing their parties' attraction to them.

[Aksannyi]

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*much* tougher besieged taking the AC out of the Empire much more often

Hades fails enough already, we don't need this. XD