Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

[nanatsu]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

I wish people would stop complaining about doing crap damage using Soboro. It's a lvl 50 weapon for crying out loud. A 40 dmg 2 handed weapon. That's the equivalent of a lvl 30 weapon. Pulling something out like that at lvl 75 and owning with it on WSes is like one-shotting Bahamut with a Hornetneedle. Accept that it's useful for the level that it can be used at and just get rid of it already if it's upsetting you that much. There are plenty of high damage higher level weapons you can use to get decent WS numbers with.

[Vyuru]

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Hmm, I notice that there's a general theme of "DoT is fine, WS are shit" and even though it's mostly SAMs complaining, other 2H jobs have also been reporting WS damage going down significantly.

I'll be doing some testing as drg/sam hopefully when I get home tonight assuming I can get a party.

I can say though that I was in a besieged last night and I did notice lower WS damage, HOWEVER:

1) I was wearing my sexy drg outfit as drg/rdm, NOT my standard drg/sam sub and exp equipment.

2) No food, no hasso, and no seigan

3) I rarely go to besieged, so I can't really tell if this is normal since lvl 8 besieged are supposed to be a bit harder, or if this is the way things are.

That being said, Wheeling Thrust was doing about 350ish damage with a Collosal Lance, I missed what my Skewer damage was and I didn't try out Penta Thrust yet. That was on both a War Wamoura and some troll named something the Valient.

Standard WS damage for me on exp lvl mobs with standard equipment is somewhere in the 700-980 range with outlier numbers of 650ish and 1100ish. Penta Thrust tends to be higher assuming all hits land, Skewer is a bit random, depends entirely on the critical hits, Wheeling Thrust is consistently somewhere between the two.

As I said, don't take my report seriously before I get a chance to test under standard testing conditions, but that's what I saw so far.

If I can't get a party at least I'll go and solo some Lesser Colibri as Drg/sam, I know what my average damage roughly is on them so that can at least offer a decent start to a comparison.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

Malacite, noone is lumping you with the bandwagoners. You have said yourself, you care about the job, you care about the gear. It's the ones who gimp out purely to pump out the leet numbers that we are saying about - and since September, there have been a lot of them. You can tell them easily, they skip hauby and go Hachiman Domaru full time (at least, that's the way you could tell on my server). Hell, I levelled blm to nuke things down!

[raidenn]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

Soboro is pretty useful. Try it out on Salvage...

Its also amazing with that grip that has 'stun' on it.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

malacite. relax.

That is like asking a fish not to swim. Or asking a bird not to fly.

[Malacite]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

I don't have Hagun (too expensive and LS refuses to do the ENM with me on the grounds that they'd want to sell it if it dropped...) and I prefer my Soboro to Onimaru for the sheer number of WS. Keep in mind that before all this (and especially right after the 1st update) Soboro was on par if not better than Hagun in merits.

And /THF is not a good way to measure WS damage because of the critical hit messing with pDIF. You need to go either /WAR or /DRK (since DRK will merely boost your STR and Attack) and see for yourself.

Just because Soboro is a lv 50 weapon doesn't make it suck for endgame. I was loving the 1:1 ratio 'cause it meant no more sushi, ever (thank god) and /WAR with soboro + meat for psycho DoT comparable to WAR/NIN and MNK > <


All of this, combined with Wings being delayed a day (was supposed to be in today > _ < I was really looking forward to being 1 of the 1st people to get in on the action...) = seriously unhappy camper.

[Aeolus]

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Soboro was on par if not better than Hagun in merits.

Was this tested with a pimped Sam with a Soboro and a gimp Sam with a Hagun..?

6hit setup with hagun and decent equip = 1.7k+ ws.
6hit setup with soboro and decent equip = 700ish ws.

With soboro it takes 1/2th the time to get 100Tp roughly. Hagun wins.

This is observation on my part as I merit with mnk and never have on sam yet. Use Zip GK instead of Hagun anyway.

[Armando]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

If its SA/DA/TA procs have the same 25%-50%-25% distribution as Ridill and M.Kris, it's not hard to see how a 40 DMG weapon that hits twice on average and doubles your number of possible WS's would be able to keep up.

That aside, I've been browsing Allakhazam for the past 1-2 years and I'm fairly sure the general consensus there really was that Soboro is on par with Hagun. I don't read KI. Make of that what you will.

[Malacite]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

It's also what my 2 lv 75 SAM buddies (who actually have merited their SAM, unlike me @_ @ too busy with other stuff like Maat's cap XD) prefer. Both of them have used Hagun, both prefer SAM/WAR with Soboro.

With enough haste, SAM/DRG with Soboro can get pretty ugly too >. > self light chains out the wazoo. And Soboro has about a 50-60% proc rate I find, usually just 2 hits with the 3rd hit being about 25-40 I 'd say. It happens often enough, but not nearly as often as 2x attacks and on my 6-hit build I've found myself often ripping hate much more frequently than other Hagun SAM.

But then, they might have been holding back or sucked idk. Or it could just be that constant WS = a lot of hate ? Eitherway I love it, and from what I've noticed with some DDs (most notably RNG) all your best gear will be Rare/EX, of which Hagun is neither.

Hagun's not a bad weapon at all, but it's really more of a /THF tool I find, where as Soboro is better for /WAR and /RNG.


Getting back to the Lesser Colibri testing, Soboro was at best doing around 450-470 on WS, 600 if i landed a crit or DA. Onimaru by contrast, was averaging 450 - 660. Now, for a weapon with more than double the base damage, this reeks of BS. From what I can tell, Y/G/K are back to their original TP mods, which means Hagun once again reigns supreme in merits - _ -' (I prefer Soboro over it anyway to be honest. I don't care of Hagun deals more WS damage, it's fun spamming 6+ WS a fight)


EDIT: This is pretty well how I see SE right now > _> (The lackey skeletons in the below comic ^^ classic)

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

I don't have Hagun (too expensive and LS refuses to do the ENM with me on the grounds that they'd want to sell it if it dropped...)

Good to see the much publicised FFXI superior community spirit is alive and well.

[Armando]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

Getting back to the Lesser Colibri testing, Soboro was at best doing around 450-470 on WS, 600 if i landed a crit or DA.

Yuki/Gekko/Kasha can't crit. Remember, a WS can't crit unless its description says so. So they must've been DA's.

Now, for a weapon with more than double the base damage, this reeks of BS.

The WS itself doesn't have twice the base DMG from using a weapon with twice the DMG. A good chunk of your WS's DMG is coming from your fSTR and that yummy 75% STR mod, which are left intact regardless of weapon choice.

Edit: Had misquoted.

[Taskmage]

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LS refuses to do the ENM with me on the grounds that they'd want to sell it if it dropped...

Uhh and why shouldn't they? In ENMs everyone that goes in is essentially using their orb for the week so if 6 people go in shouldn't they each get 1/6th of the reward? If one drops that puts you 1/6th of the way towards buying your own. If you've got a better way of making money then obviously do that for the sword instead, otherwise don't complain that your friends won't give you a million gil handout.

[Mhurron]

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Uhh and why shouldn't they? In ENMs everyone that goes in is essentially using their orb for the week so if 6 people go in shouldn't they each get 1/6th of the reward? If one drops that puts you 1/6th of the way towards buying your own. If you've got a better way of making money then obviously do that for the sword instead, otherwise don't complain that your friends won't give you a million gil handout.

Well there is a little thing about working together to achieve a goal, so it would be nice if people could every once and a while put aside their own greediness and help someone out.

Now, I don't know the whole story, maybe Malacite is way too needy and they're getting sick of him constantly asking for stuff or that he might just turn around and sell the thing if it dropped or he never helps anyone else but really, it wouldn't kill people to help for things like that sometimes.

I'm really not making a judgement here on those LS members or Malacite, I'm just saying in general.

[Telera]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

Uhh and why shouldn't they?

Because it'd be nice for this 'superior community' to show some of that superiority for once?

Especially if some of them are in the same endgame shell as well. You should *want* to help kit out your fellows so all goes better and more efficiently later on. I know the whole 'help someone and not make GILZ' is foreign to over ~50% of this game's population, but that just makes me sick.

Seriously, it's half the reason I originally quit.

Thankfully I have a much better LS now. One where people help. I help, they help, everyone helps. And no one opens a vein over 'onry if we can sellz it and you stillz haz farmz for rest!lol'

Yeah, no thanks. If the sams in my LS needed it and I was of the level/needed jobs for it, I'd go and not expect a damn thing from it. Why? Because I care about my LS mates. They're friends. That's how I roll.

[Taskmage]

Re: Once again, SE goes too ****ing far with nerfs

There's working together to acheive a goal, and there's your orb my drop. The latter ranks on the consideration scale alongside the guy who lots on all the drops in an exp party because he thinks he's the only one that needs money. Preparing for the Attohwa ENM is a lot of time and work. If you're going to tap 5 other people for it the least you can do is let them work towards their own goals of getting the items they're saving for too. All for one and one for all.