The problem with asking SE questions...

[Sabaron]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

I appear to have spawned a bonafide "Rant" thread with my "straw that broke the camel's back" Ask SE Questions post.

Let us therefore take a look at the "rules" (which were not written by Feba).

* All thread headers MUST be in the form of a question, and the details of the question in the body of the post (if the question needs to be explained in detail the situation). If it is not even in the form of a question, your "question" may not even be selected and maybe deleted or removed.

I don't see any non-question named threads that haven't been moved.

* One question per thread, any questions not at the first post of the thread will not be considered. If the questions are inter-related you may include them together. For example: Are you going to do anything about RMT? If so, what would you do?

Each question appears to be in its own post.

* The Moderation and Administration Team of FFXIOnline.com at the end of each month will lock all threads for that month and archive it into the archive sub-forum.

This is not really a guideline per-se.

* The Moderation and Administration Team of FFXIOnline.com will select 9 questions to be compiled on to a list. The last remaining one is reserved for the moderation and administration team.

Here we go... Forum Moderators (e.g. not Feba) pick [up to] 9 questions to submit.

* The list will be compiled and submitted to the FFXI Community Relations Team, and the submitted list will also be posted on the news section for discussion, and if the FFXIOnline.com team find later that we missed any questions, we will tack it onto the next month's list.

Again not a guideline.

* If you feel that a question should have been included on the list but was not, it is likely that you did not follow the formatting guidelines and/or it did not receive the appropriate support from other members.

A method for handling disputes not a guideline.

{Please note out of order} * Questions that are rude, offensive, full of profanity, or in bad taste will not only be omitted, but will be deleted and infraction points handed out as appropriate.

None of the questions appear to contain rude or offensive language.

* Inane questions, questions with obvious answers, questions with little thought, questions that are not legible, or questions that are not understandable, are unlikely to be included. Please make sure that you spell correctly and that your grammar is correct. Please take your time in posting your questions.

Now this boils down to these simple rules:

1. Can I understand what the author is saying?
2. Has the author exercised proper use of their chosen language's grammar?
3. Can a 12 year old answer the question without reference material?

Inanity is subjective, but here's our definition from Dictionary.com

1. lacking sense, significance, or ideas; silly: inane questions.
2. empty; void.

Do you really think any of the questions asked, no matter what you think of the content qualify under these guidelines as "rejectable"?

Also you will notice the last guideline states "unlikely" not that such questions are definably inappropriate. I believe that pretty much everyone who has posted questions (recently) has met all of the criteria. You might think your question is somehow "better" but that is handled by the moderator selection process not by Feba*.

* - Feba doesn't select questions, but he gets to voice his opinion on whether or not he likes said question (by responding to the post). Therefore, Feba (and anyone) is entitled to their own opinion on any question and said opinions can be taken into account by forum moderators when determining which questions are submitted. Therefore, in a way Feba does in fact have a hand in determining whether or not your question gets through, he just doesn't get to decide himself.

[Feba]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

There's nothing wrong with attached opinions.

Yes, there is.

It means the question will only appeal to a certain group of people, that there's a stronger chance it will be ignored, not to mention it will just be "ok, we'll look into that" nine times out of ten.

And some of you people don't get it, it's not the suggestion of how something might work, it's the suggestion at all. There is no reason SE should be asked to make blue mages fancy hats, be it "Are you going to make fancy hats for Blue Mage?" or "I want fancy hats for Blue Mage!", it's the same thing.


bbq:

They adressed this at E3. Check out Pikko's report, its in there. They're aware of it.

That does not make it less of a good question, and there could still be interesting replies from it. Even if it is already answered, it is still a good question.

You're basically asking "Why can't we have what other PC MMOs have?"

I suppose if you completely ignore the actual subject of the post, yes, maybe. Those of us who bother reading realize it's a very interesting question, though.

Because then 360 users would want it and they couldn't give it to PS2 users. It would cost extra money and they do not wish to reversion the code. FFXI is not a purely PC MMO.

Except they already announced they are adding it around the time WOTG comes out. Way to not only completely ignore the thread, but ignore FFXI too.

In gil, obviously.

Cute. That does not address the actual subject of the post, though.

They observe this and try to modify the roles to be more friendly to these trends or, if they disagree with them, they find ways to discourage it.

If you were talking about the dev team, this might be a good answer. Unfortunately we're not, and you just look like an idiot.

So now the questions have been answered

If answers from someone who has no idea what the hell they were talking about and did not work for SE qualified as answering, there would be no need to ask SE.
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I appear to have spawned a bonafide "Rant" thread with my "straw that broke the camel's back" Ask SE Questions post.

please don't flatter yourself.
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Do you really think any of the questions asked, no matter what you think of the content qualify under these guidelines as "rejectable"?

Yes.

I did not see the word "suggestions" in there once. It is a place to ask SE questions, not suggest things, we can do that enough in other ways.

[Sabaron]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

please don't flatter yourself.

My Question thread:
Does SE have any plans to make the rollout of WoG less painful than ToAU?

has no less than three directly related responses from Feba in it:

Also, this is not the suggestions forum. And if you were going to make a suggestion, suggesting SE just let us download the game would've been a much better option.

it doesn't matter. you're still suggesting that SE do such and such a thing. That is your motive, what it produces is still going to suck.

No direct suggestion, perhaps, but it's still painfully obvious that there is a suggestion in it. Just like about 4/5 threads in this forum. It's sad really.

and I never said "completely responsible". My thread just happens to be chronologically latest in the order of threads Feba has scoffed at, thus the language "straw that broke the camel's back" indicating that it simply is the last in a series of perceived offenses against Feba that resulted in the creation of this thread.

[Feba]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

Your thread has very little to do with it. It's the entire thread.

It is certainly not the straw that broke the camel's back.

[BurningPanther]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

I mean, if you had the chance to ask God anything, you wouldn't blow it on something stupid like "what are eggshells made of?" The rest of humanity would have every right to be pissed at you.

Well then, sucks to be the rest of humanity. If I'm burning to know the composition of egshells, then that's what I'll burn my question on, as would anybody. They ask questions pertaining to their interests, not everything has to keep a grand scheme in mind.

But, good thing I don't need the divine presence to know the composition of eggshells, and good thing S-E's horse isn't so high up that they'll only grant one question. Their horse sits about six inches lower, so they deem only to grant us ten.

Feba's points are somewhat valid, but there doesn't seem to be much that doesn't get put sand in his panties, so it's good to take it all with a grain of salt.

However!

I DO have a question: Why does this seem to be the only forum that restricts feedback to S-E to questions only, discouraging suggestions, and again with limited submission of said questions? Of the forums I've visited, this alone has the most stifling restrictions.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

Feba isn't bitching for the sake of bitching, he's bitching because this is the only chance we'll have in God knows how long to ask S-E ten questions. I'm sure everyone here wants those questions to be good ones.

I mean, if you had the chance to ask God anything, you wouldn't blow it on something stupid like "what are eggshells made of?" The rest of humanity would have every right to be pissed at you.

I'm not passing judgment on the quality of the questions. Don't want to touch that with a fifty foot pole. I'm just saying what's most likely the motive driving Feba to bitch.

The crappy questions being posted aren't going to stop the "good" questions from being submitted to SE. Feba already posts quite often in the threads he doesn't like. And now he's spawned two completely new threads complaining about Ask SE thread quality. His rants aren't going to improve the "quality" of posted questions.

While I get your point about "Ask God", a situation like that would be an order of magnitudes different from Ask SE. If I knew I could ask God any one question and be guaranteed an answer to it, I wouldn't be worried about exercising my creative juices. I wouldn't be worrying about formulating a question whose answer would help entertain the masses. The question would be born out of need.

And believe you me, I would care even less about what Feba thought about the question I ask God than about his opinion on posted threads.

[Malacite]

Re: The problem with asking SE questions...

Speaking of which, on the off chance either of mine gets picked (Not really betting on either to be honest, and failing that I can always ask my LS buddies who are attending ^^ but still it would be nice...) I'd really care more about the possibility of a Mystic Knight vs Higher Tier Enspells over Armor types.

just wanted to make that clear. It's not my choice, it's the mods and as such I respect their decisions (as we all should) but I've been hoping for spellblade since I first heard of FFXI 5+ years ago and by god I'm gonna get answer out of SE 1 way or another >_ >