Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but did the OP secure permission from Elmer to Pointy to post his translation here?

I ask because he has made it sound like only Allakhazam has received permission to do so here.

[Gobo]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

No, but I copied the information before it was shifted to the Wings section of BG. I also gave elmer full credit for doing the translations (its referring to people just taking and posting the information from past translations without giving Elmer any credit)

[Dymlos]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

With all that info for Wings, I wonder if they left anything for the US fanfest. To me it sounded like they slapped the US fanbase for Wings info and will give us jack shit.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

No, but I copied the information before it was shifted to the Wings section of BG. I also gave elmer full credit for doing the translations (its referring to people just taking and posting the information from past translations without giving Elmer any credit)

I see nothing which says you are allowed copy large segments of Elmer the Pointy's translation/information; apparently only BG forum and BG wiki are authorized. Giving credit alone is not sufficient, and point of time of the copy is not relevant. =/

Please obtain permission from him.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

Did Elmer obtain permission from S-E to disseminate their info on any site but theirs?

[Malacite]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

2 wrongs don't make right.

[Kailea]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

Did Elmer obtain permission from S-E to disseminate their info on any site but theirs?

yeah really... chill out IfritnoItazura, this is done every time info like this is released....

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

I do not believe S-E forbid transmission of the information obtained from the Osaka event; a reasonable person should believe the company wants dissemination.

However, Elmer's translation is copyrighted to him, and he chose to post on BG, not here. That makes replicating his work on Dreams legally suspect, and, well, impolite. He's someone who has contributed much to FFXI's English speaking player community, and deserves at least some respect for his wishes and preferences, on top of legal protection for his work.

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A credited summary of his translations without using his wording would get around the legal issues, I think. There is no reason to copy verbatim without Elmer the Pointy's permission.

[Kailea]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

He gave him credit in the OP, what is your problem, no one has ever had this problem before, when it was done for the other expansions

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

He gave him credit in the OP, what is your problem, no one has ever had this problem before, when it was done for the other expansions

It's not my problem; it's a copyright problem.

And, if you must know, in a past few months, I had brief but thoughtful conversations with Mierin (of FFXIclopedia) regarding copyrights, as well as reading up on the old controversy about FFXIclopedia stealing CoP guide from Erecia. It sensitized me to the problem of copyright on the web, and made me rethink some common practices.

Ultimately, though, I raised the issue because I respect Elmer the Pointy, and want to do right by him.

What's your excuse?

[Kailea]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

It's not my problem; it's a copyright problem.
And, if you must know, in a past few months, I had brief but thoughtful conversations with Mierin (of FFXIclopedia) regarding copyrights, as well as reading up on the old controversy about FFXIclopedia stealing CoP guide from Erecia. It sensitized me to the problem of copyright on the web, and made me rethink some common practices.
Ultimately, though, I raised the issue because I respect Elmer the Pointy, and want to do right by him.
What's your excuse?

I dont have a problem, the OP has given credit, and thats all thats needed, it is all that has been needed since FF came out -.-

[Malacite]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

Problem is there's very little control over the Internet =/

[Murphie]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

I have to admit I don't know much about copyright law, but can a translation posted on a forum of information that is out there for anyone to see (so long as you understand Japanese) really fall under that jurisdiction?

Of course, Gobo could just have easily not posted the text, and just posted a link the the thread on BG, which would have served the same purpose. Would that have been considered a violation? He did credit Elmer, and he indicated that the original thread could be found on BG's forums.

[Xalioniaf]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

The post on bg's site is on the BG wiki section. According to the bar on top,

This information is protected by the CC license.

A link attached shows that the information may be distributed as long as it's credited to the original author.
The post on ffxiwiki only said it was "from the forums".

[Murphie]

Re: Super Ultimate Osaka event wrap up

So then we have nothing to worry about.