FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

[Mhurron]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Prove the fact he did it and You win, if not then drop it.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/vie...hp?f=2&t=23599

He was of course legally privy to all this information but just wanted to look like he wasn't part if it right?

The questionable method those were obtained by was brought up by those defending Taj. The entire thing is circumstantial, but the circumstances point to people doing thing's they aren't supposed to.

That doesn't matter.
Taj clearly obtained information from a protected computer, violating 18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C).
The big IF here, is IF he gets caught, which I hope he doesn't. But Taj DID break federal law in obtaining this information.

No one is going to investigate computer crimes if no money was lost or exchanged in the commission of the crime.

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Dude, youre out your mind.

its a rhetorical question because you've got a ridiculous pipe dream.

It's nice and all that you're quoting some civil procedure law school text but really...

I edited my post, he's not going to jail.

this is almost comical now.

Let me know when you've interned in a US Attorney's office for several months, and then you might understand a bit what's going on.

Dude, youre out your mind.

Seriously. Mentally insane. So insane that I've managed to get a Master's Degree in Social Work (If that's not mentally insane, I don't know what is)

It's nice and all that you're quoting some civil procedure law school text but really...

Actually, it's United States Code, which is federal law. The punishment is criminal, not civil.

I edited my post, he's not going to jail.

this is almost comical now.

And I stand by my statement, if he gets caught, he will.

The only thing comical is you arguing against something you know nothing about.

[Skoal]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

So insane that I've managed to get a Master's Degree in Social Work (If that's not mentally insane, I don't know what is)

After the budget cuttings Social Work went through, that is insane.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Please read what I say, I admin an FFXI-related site, the matter was forced into my lap. I don't get a choice in avoiding the issue, I have to address in within my ranks. Some of those people include BG and FFXIlopedia members.

Yes, I know you are a mod over on LBR. We all do it's general knowledge by know. Especially in the whole Murphie vs. BBQ and Murphie vs. Mods threads. The one were I defended you to have people at least allow you to leave the hospital before attacking you or going at you.

You are forced into the issue, the same as Alla mods have been they have done what the ffxio mods have in this issue, not voiced their opinions kept to "undecided" and full filled their duty as mods.

The comment on not dealing with the bg issue was more to the fact any time that you deal with any sort of Bg related issue, it consists in you taking a shot at BG. You just have to follow your board rules, ffxio is not your ranks so you really don't have to adress it here.

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/vie...hp?f=2&t=23599
He was of course legally privy to all this information but just wanted to look like he wasn't part if it right?
The questionable method those were obtained by was brought up by those defending Taj. The entire thing is circumstantial, but the circumstances point to people doing thing's they aren't supposed to.
No one is going to investigate computer crimes if no money was lost or exchanged in the commission of the crime.

oh, I don't think anyone is denying someone did something.

the question is if anyone can prove it was *taj* and that he didn't just receive a gift of information from some third party / stumble across it at his local internet cafe.

so you can believe he did it; or not. but it's highly unlikely any of this will be successfully pinned to him even if it does go to court.

(edit: yes, I believe he did it. no I don't think he should win a medal. I still thanked him for the information.)

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

No one is going to investigate computer crimes if no money was lost or exchanged in the commission of the crime.

If he does file a complaint, which is likely, the feds have to at least make an effort of investigating.

And money was lost in this manner. He hasn't earned it yet, but the loss of the Goodwill of his company by this debacle means that a lot of people who used to visit the website, won't any more.

I want to make things clear hear. I don't support Ganiman or FFXIclopedia any more. I don't condone what Taj did either, as he did violate US federal law.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/vie...hp?f=2&t=23599
He was of course legally privy to all this information but just wanted to look like he wasn't part if it right?
The questionable method those were obtained by was brought up by those defending Taj. The entire thing is circumstantial, but the circumstances point to people doing thing's they aren't supposed to.
No one is going to investigate computer crimes if no money was lost or exchanged in the commission of the crime.

I said prove he did the "hacking" not prove he posted, please insert one dollar and try again.

Let me know when you've interned in a US Attorney's office for several months, and then you might understand a bit what's going on.
Seriously. Mentally insane. So insane that I've managed to get a Master's Degree in Social Work (If that's not mentally insane, I don't know what is)
Actually, it's United States Code, which is federal law. The punishment is criminal, not civil.
And I stand by my statement, if he gets caught, he will.
The only thing comical is you arguing against something you know nothing about.

The whole point is more to the fact you are looking at he could go to jail if every step is met, and most people see that they are not going to make all the steps.

[Omni]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I know plenty of what I'm talking about. You seem to be the delusional one (or a bit confused at what I'm trying to say).

So you're saying with no money loss... that hes going to get put in jail for a non violent crime? Yea... go back to studying. You're going to need it.

You can embezzle 40k from a company, goto the police station and admit to it. Get convicted of felony grand theft and still not serve jail time.

You know how I know? An old employee did this to the company I work at. She isnt getting any jail time. She'll have parole and restitution but actually jail time? no.

So you're telling me this script kiddie is gonna get jail time over this?

You must be confusing 'technically can he get jail time?' or 'did he break the law' with in real world practice, will he get jail time?

Again, he's not getting jail time or even going to get prosecuted.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I'm a bit upset some some things, but first, what I am happy about:
+ FFXIclopedia will stick around, despite failing to meet fund raising goal, and despite the fact the guy (Ganiman) who was going to make up for the short fall lost his job and probably couldn't afford to do that anymore.
+ Ganiman, Gahoo, and Mierin will be employed by Wikia--they will be paid to do what they did for free before at much cost to personal time and effort. I'm especially happy regarding Gahoo, who's been an active editor, and who usually performed in a fair and neutral manner as far as I can tell.
+ FFXIclopedia will stick around. Yes, I wrote that already, but it's worth stating twice. This is the best general resource for FFXI players--it's where we here at Dreams send new players and veterans alike when they have questions.

Things I'm not as happy about:
- Lack of forthright communication from Ganiman and Co. Seriously, half the storm could've been avoided if those yahoos just posted what will happen and why a little sooner.
- Hacking of FFXIclopedia--I was doing CoP 6.4 and other things last night and needed info. To Hackers/Crackers with a grudge against Ganiman and Co.: Don't bring down the most important FFXI resource just because you're mad. Please. -_-#
- I think Ganiman and Co. has the right to sell the domain, goodwill, and etc. (This is separate from their salary--they are definitely entitled to salary if they continue to provide service to Wikia.) HOWEVER, the only reason that the domain is worth anything is because PEOPLE LIKE ME CONTRIBUTE OUR TIME AND ENERGY TO KEEP FFXICLOPEDIA INFORMATIVE AND UPDATED. (Well, OK, I'm a minor contributor, but still.) It's a slap in the face to say they have the rights to do with the domain as they wish, even if it is true.

* * *

That's about it on happiness/unhappiness regarding FFXIclopedia.

I'll continue to contribute to its content under Wikia; I did it before the sale because it helps the community, and moving it to Wikia does not change that.

As for BG wiki, I'm rather doubtful about that. I had trouble with lack of neutral voice from other FFXIclopedia contributors, and even Gahoo (whom I like) didn't seem to care about proper citation on sources.

BG wiki would likely only do worse. And, given how important "attitude" is for surviving on BG's forum, those useless posturing could easily carry over into their wiki. A BG wiki will be painful to read.

There only relatively small number of people who are motivated to add and maintain information to community project like a wiki. If you look the "recent changes" on FFXIclopedia, you'd see most people are mostly just interested in maintaining a personal page ("My 4th 75 job!"). BG starting a wiki will siphon off a good number of those real contributors.

Given how a BG wiki will likely turn out and given the split in the community of contributors it will create, I consider BG wiki to be a bad move. â—€/sighâ–¶

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

You are forced into the issue, the same as Alla mods have been they have done what the ffxio mods have in this issue, not voiced their opinions kept to "undecided" and full filled their duty as mods.

But just because I have to remained unbaised towards the sources of the shit doesn't mean I willingly ignore which side the stink is coming from.

God that sounded too Judge Judy for my liking.

[Murphie]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I won't be sending anyone there anymore. But I can't help it if other people do.

As for the success of a BG Wiki? It's far too soon to tell. I'm interested to see how it turns out, regardless. A wiki requires a tremendous amount of work from a lot of people who are dedicated to creating the content. Whether people will stick to it, or lose interest after the first flush of activity is a mystery. It could go either way.

The latter does seem more likely, though. Which is too bad.

[Mhurron]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I said prove he did the "hacking" not prove he posted, please insert one dollar and try again.

The simplest explanation is most often the correct one. He posted the screenshots, the simplest explanation is he had something to do with acquiring the information.

Beyond that we are talking about my opinion on the matter, not any formal proceeding, so I am not bound to require anything else.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

But just because I have to remained unbaised towards the sources of the shit doesn't mean I willingly ignore which side the stink is coming from.
God that sounded too Judge Judy for my liking.

And the "Stink" happens to be coming from both side yet you are only willing to put the blame on the side you have a grudge against.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I won't be sending anyone there anymore. But I can't help it if other people do.

Hmm. When I post a link to info, I mean to help the person who needed the info. If a site has good, easy to digest info, I would be doing a disservice to the person who needed the info if I don't link to that site.

Up to now, that site is usually FFXIclopedia. If they move the site to Wikia, the site which would best help the person who needs the info is still FFXIclopedia.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

The simplest explanation is most often the correct one. He posted the screenshots, the simplest explanation is he had something to do with acquiring the information.
Beyond that we are talking about my opinion on the matter, not any formal proceeding, so I am not bound to require anything else.

Just a small bit of info if you had read into the thread you would see someone who admitted or was shown to actually have done some of the hacking,

Who?

Not taj!