What the hell is wrong with Melee?

[WishMaster3K]

Zexx and Charz are probably the two greatest players I know at their jobs. (Zexx is NIN, THF, and RNG 75. He has WAR and MNK 75 also, but it's not hard to be a great WAR or MNK. Just gear up and Autoattack)

Charz is actually a good BRD, even though he won't admit it. He's an OK NIN, and he loves MNK. But as I said, it's not hard to be a MNK.

I've known these guys since HS, so I mean no ill intent towards them, they're among my best friends in and out of the game.

So why the post?

It's not about them, rather, it's their attitudes that are prevailent throughout this game.

Look at the party chat closely. You'll see how definitely REFUSED to do a skillchain, even when using two WSs that are common in the TP Burn era.

This picture is a catalyst of my rant, and why the hell melee get into a funk once they hit the end-tier of levels. Elitism. Talking about "Which DDs are the best". Constantly reminding me that PLD sucks, it's all about NIN.

It sucks knowing that two close friends of mine may very well be elitists, but I've come across MANY people who don't know how to do a god damned skillchain.

This latest update definitely drew a divide in the ground, and there are, as is the case with divides made via a single line, two sides. I've seen so many people come out of their heads and state their opinions on the state of the melee metagame, and I wonder:

What the Fuck? What the Hell is wrong with Melee nowadays?

Don't get me started on Princess RDMs either.

[BurningPanther]

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Don't get me started on Princess RDMs either.

Heh. Guilty as charged.

The problem with melee today is the problem BLM and WHM in previous years, and I suppose RDM and BRD now. When you're in high demand, you find yourself often in a position to dictate terms, and it goes to your head. You feel free to cut out this, then cut out that, then suddenly... you're an asshole. BLM and WHM used to be high-demand for exp, and were thus in a position to dictate terms in parties. Their perceived importance gave them the perception that they could take liberties. Now, it's melee. Mobs so easy to kill, you don't need to set up a Skill Chain, now no one wants to put expend the joules required to time one.

I'm surprised you only just noticed this.

[Taskmage]

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I thought the reason nobody wants to skillchain, or ever wanted to skillchain, is because the damage from the SC doesn't make up for the damage lost from one DD saving TP while the other reaches 100. I don't know if that's their reasoning, but really skillchains suck. Was there a blm in the party or something?

[WishMaster3K]

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We were on those Undead in Dvucca who take like a kajillion damage from magic.

Their DEF sucks, but they have an assload of TP. Wheras a Blade:Jin on an Imp would do like 1k damage and take out 20%, a Blade:Jin for 1400 would only take about maybe 5-8% on these mobs.

But the magic effect from skillchains is usually greater than the damage combined.

Normally, I let my meleetards play their jobs the way they want to. But as the PT leader, I had to set things up based on the situation.

[Taskmage]

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Oh, those guys. Ok, nevermind skillchains kick ass on those. They take like double damage right, so when the closing WS does 2x normal damage a light skillchain will do like 4x normal damage, ne?

[Murphie]

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That is kind of shitty the way they are all "He must be deaf or something". I mean, it's not that hard to do a SC, for crying out loud. And your reasons for suggesting it were good ones. And the way they weren't taking your word for it that the troll camps were taken, etc.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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There are people who take thier jobs too close to heart, they take them very seriously and there will be players - even your friends - who will get sucked into the princess-you-can't-tell-me-what-to-do mentality. Worse is when they feel they've hit the big time and are big stuff. I have watched RL friendships fall apart over in-game stuff.

I know a COR who now subs WAR to merit PTs, creating a clear deficit in his accuracy and he uses Hunter's Roll to make up for it, but he won't let you argue that he could just sub RNG and Roll something more useful to melees. No, damn you, he wants his epeen and that Hunter's Roll is "good for everyone" even though most melee I know do have a good Accuracy Build and don't need the help.

In summary, this game makes some people retarded.

[Aksannyi]

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Wow, so stupid. What's so terrible about setting up a TP macro so you can coordinate a god damned skill chain. FFS. I'm glad I don't party (most of the time) with anyone that fugging stupid.

And yeah, Trolls take EXCELLENT damage on Darkness skillchain. I know my husband is one of the players in that, but my BLM friend and I both have a great time MBing the shit out of those damn things. We've done 2k+ combined on MB alone, and well, granted most of that was him, but they went down very easily with a well placed MB.

[WishMaster3K]

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I just wanted to MB Blizzard. It's like I capped out Ice Magic and I never get to have FUN with it.

Granted, it helps out Paralyze and Bind (I was pulling on the trolls, that was actually fun), but I'd love to see Blizzard III MBed off of Darkness. The first HQ Stave I'm going to get is Aquilo's actually, and they're pretty cheap, but I'm focused on my PLD gear now.

[BurningPanther]

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You know, that makes me realize: I never got to Magic Burst Blizzard after capping Ice MAcc. Skill Chains had all but died by then.

Wow, I'm really depressed now...

[WishMaster3K]

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I'm pretty sure if we were to go to Lufaise right now, people would want to TP burn it.

Skillchains are awesome because it made people realize how much they sucked compared to their fellow melee. Now, people don't realize that their TP gain either sucks or pwns because they're busy blowing big gaping holes in enemies. Nothing stabs your ego like having your SC partner spam their <tp> macro and you're at like 40 or something.

But I'm probably biased because I'm A) RDM and B) PLD, and with either of those jobs, you have a direct impact on the flow of the battle.

What's worse is that I'm a PLD who's leveled RDM, so I can tell when there is a debuffer who doesn't have all their marbles. Saying [Dispel] all the time is really annoying, but anyway..

[Aksannyi]

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Nothing stabs your ego like having your SC partner spam their <tp> macro and you're at like 40 or something.

This made me LOL. In fact, I think I may have to steal that and sig it.

[Sevv]

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Holy shit, this is one of those times I am ashamed to have these people level the same jobs as me. They need to learn a bit more about the game before they get called great.

Pld/Nin > Nin/Drk > Nin/war = Pld/war tank wise for people who know endgame

[WishMaster3K]

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I don't have Sea access, so at the moment, the only Haste Gear I'll have is Turban, Dusk Gloves, Dusk Feet, Swift Belt. 14% Haste from gear. 15% from spell.

so 29% Haste in total. I don't think I'll be an effective PLD/NIN with only 29% Haste, assuming the spell is kept on me at all times.

Dear God, I just tried doing the math, but it's 4:30AM, and I can't figure out whether or not Flash would be under 30 seconds with 29% Haste.... No, it wouldn't. It would probably be closer to 32 or 33 (I'm doing rough estimation. 30% is almost 1/3, so roughly around 15 seconds, but a lil less...).

To get under 30 seconds, my Haste build, including spell for 15%, would need to be at least 34% haste.

Meaning.

5% Walahra Turban
3% Dusk or Homam Gloves (Homam also come with enmity..)
3% Homam Cosciales
4% Swift Belt
3% Homam Gambieras (Dusk are 2%, making the total 32, not quite 1/3.)

Blitz Ring and Sentinel Shield are 1% each, but those are out of the question.

Oh God. I'm ranting. That's it, I'm going to sleep.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Holy shit, this is one of those times I am ashamed to have these people level the same jobs as me. They need to learn a bit more about the game before they get called great.

Pld/Nin > Nin/Drk > Nin/war = Pld/war tank wise for people who know endgame

See, the thing is those people that "know endgame" have a tendancy to place job in tiers, rate them by gear they could have vs. the gear people do have and subjob versatility. These players may not mean ill towards other jobs for promoting what certain jobs can do, but it still ends up being misinterpeted. The less educated players simply skip all the important details and conclude that being X job makes them awesome. Those players don't care why WAR or BRD can be really good or how to be a really good one, just that it gets them invites and merit.

And then there's people who talk about meritting too fucking much. I'm sorry if meritting is all the endgame some of you will ever have, but meritting is not really endgame, not even close.

Hell, I don't do that much endgame, but meritting is just extended EXP and, worse, its EXP on weak mobs, which pushes things further out of proportion. If posting EXP chains got people Ridills we would do nothing but EXP. The EXP levels, missions and endgame are what truely determine the true potentials of a job, not just merit PTs.

As cold and elitist as it sounds, I'd almost much rather have endgame and only endgame determine the pecking order of the jobs. There was a time where there were no merit points to be had, just EXP and Endgame. At least back then people still did skillchains, lolDRG or not, and it was way harder to be a DRG, THF, DRK or SAM back then than it ever was in ToA, before or after job adjustments.

I've actually never taken my DRG to a ToA PT yet, I don't know if I want to. After stuggling with it through the RoZ/CoP days to 60, I almost feel like I'd have it too easy now.