So, how do you think will change the game?

[Neomage]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

I want to get all the +Atl and +Acc availible to BLM and melee my way from 71-75! B skill in staff gogogo!

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

Meanwhile compare that to how one handed weapons work now, a warrior with a Maneater and a Joyeuse, or a Maneater and a Woodville, eating sole sushi with a standard warrior gear setup should still easily crush a poorly equiped drg. There is still Berserk and Aggressor to deal with, and a Haste setup, plus the gear that warriors can wear that drg can't.

Lv.75 Mithra DRG/WAR (no gear)
STR: 69 (Atk bonus from STR: 69)
DEX: 72 (Acc bonus from DEX: 72)

Lv.75 Mithra WAR/NIN (no gear)
STR: 69 (Atk bonus from STR: 34)
DEX: 76 (Acc bonus from DEX: 38)

Disregarding the Accuracy Bonus traits, WAR/NIN starts at a Atk-deficit of 35, and Acc-deficit of 34. With Accuracy Bonus II, it's Acc-deficit of 56.

Yes, well set-up WAR/NIN can still crush poorly equipped DRG/WAR. But, it sure is a steep climb just to get to an even ground with a naked DRG, having to make up 35 in attack and 56 in accuracy... Dual Wield II's 15% delay reduction can only go so far...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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here we go the bitching starts, you don't think SE thought this out, and tested it alot before making these changes? If they need to they will adjust to balance it if they want, but ultimately if they don't want to, they don't have to.

I have been leveling DRG since I unlocked it, playing this game since the PC release... and I still only have it at 65, partly due to the BS that DRG got all the time, now for once, I can actually preform very well, and all I hear is bitching.......

People think this is about thier favorite job.

Its not about your DRG, its nothing against DRG, hell, we're happy for you, but getting updated shouldn't be at the expense of other jobs. This isn't like all those BRDs hyperventilating that COR got a boost to be more comprable to them, those are just the princess BRDs out for merits, the real BRDs know that was a good update that not only puts COR on more even ground, but makes a BRD's life even easier than before.

But honestly, if you've worked hard to maximize your THF, your MNK, your RNG and you get see it all go down the drain in one update you would be bitching too.

We have a right to bitch about this two-hander update because its a very shady way of adjusting the game. If SE's way of prepping jobs for the expansion is going to be beta testing them in game, they need to refund one month of fees to everyone. If SE is just giving each DD a "turn" in the spotlight, they're going to start losing subscribers fast when people figure that out.

I think if SE kept it simple and scaled two-handers by job just like they had adjusted COR, BST and PUP, they wouldn't have pissed off anyone. But like the TP nerf in 2004, they chose to do something on a wider scale without considering the impact on every job. Or maybe they just don't care. In any case, the two-handed adjustment was overkill, not an adjustment.

SE needs to be a little more forthcoming about thier plans in the coming weeks and months. If other jobs are getting updates soon, they need to say so now.

[Legal Fish]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

Meanwhile compare that to how one handed weapons work now, a warrior with a Maneater and a Joyeuse, or a Maneater and a Woodville, eating sole sushi with a standard warrior gear setup should still easily crush a poorly equiped drg. There is still Berserk and Aggressor to deal with, and a Haste setup, plus the gear that warriors can wear that drg can't.

I'm not talking naked DRG. I'm not talking about defy the laws of logic WAR. Decent vs Great.

The DRG will have roughly 20-40 Acc more than he did before the update, without changing a single piece of gear. That's 10 to 20% higher hit rate... when people are usually at 60 or 70 to begin with. Then you add his nearly earned Acc Trait 2 for 22 Acc for another 11% hit rate... he eats meat... all without putting effort into getting the best gear in the game.

Yet I saw these drk/nins all the time before this update.

Those guys were pretty retarded. Especially after stuff like Perdu Sickle came out.

At level 75, the difference between a B- and a A+ weapon rating is 36. A hume drk/nin at lvl 75 will have a base +acc of 69, which now roughly compensates for a B- weapon's rating.

Okay, that's great. So under my changes a DRK with axes will sacrifice 20 to 50 Atk just to be close a Scythe user in accuracy while dual wielding? OH WAIT. He wouldn't even be dual wielding, so no faster attacks. Yeah, sounds pretty stupid. Let's not forget I had no intention on changing WSes, which would put Scythe over Axe in that instance too.

but if the dex=acc formula was given to one handers I am pretty confident that most drks would go to dual axes or something like that.

Not if it doesn't work while Dual Wielding. Dual wielding with the Acc buff would be pretty powerful, but the whole point was let Dual Wield be fast, 1-hand be accurate, and 2-hand be powerful. I'd even remove the exp penalties from Dual Wielding to balance the field.

My only concern with that would be gear options for jobs, War, Bst, Drk, Sam and I think Ninja have access to all the heavy armors which seem to have all of the good +stat stuff on them, some jobs are more restricted in gear options, a bit general but it's true.

This isn't that big a deal really. What it really does is encourage different armor for different jobs. Though pieces like Ebody stay on top, when one pieces has STR and another piece has DEX, their target audiences differ. SAMs and NINs don't look alike, DRK and BSTs don't look alike... so on. More gear is used, people look different, crafters sell different things, more content is experienced, etc etc.

[Dymlos]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

here we go the bitching starts, you don't think SE thought this out, and tested it alot before making these changes?

No, no they didn't. Especially since RNGs are now practically subpar to DD,DoT compared to the 2handers. >>

[Kuro]

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Where's all the love gone?

I think we need some good ol' fashioned Opium, that should cheer up the wingeing duel weilders tht have had it their way for so long, and now after 3 days of us 2 handers having it OUR way they just bitch.

And ti people saying they need work on ranged attacks and 1 hand weapons. You do remember SE saying they were overhuling ALL the jobs for WoTG right?

[Kailea]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

Where's all the love gone?
I think we need some good ol' fashioned Opium, that should cheer up the wingeing duel weilders tht have had it their way for so long, and now after 3 days of us 2 handers having it OUR way they just bitch.
And ti people saying they need work on ranged attacks and 1 hand weapons. You do remember SE saying they were overhuling ALL the jobs for WoTG right?

yeah thats what I was thinking, this is just step one, in a multi step process.

[Kirsteena]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

Where's all the love gone?
I think we need some good ol' fashioned Opium, that should cheer up the wingeing duel weilders tht have had it their way for so long, and now after 3 days of us 2 handers having it OUR way they just bitch.
And ti people saying they need work on ranged attacks and 1 hand weapons. You do remember SE saying they were overhuling ALL the jobs for WoTG right?

And why do I think the mage jobs (rdm, blm, smn, whm) will get royally shafted by this? If, indeed SE release Time Mage - urgh I don't want to think about it.

[Sevv]

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I benefit from this but this is over the top, I'm sorry but it really is.

[Dymlos]

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If that was true then where the hell is the update for THF? I have yet to see any fix like they said. Knowing our RNG fix, that won't happen a year after Wings.

[Ziero]

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Yet I saw these drk/nins all the time before this update. At level 75, the difference between a B- and a A+ weapon rating is 36. A hume drk/nin at lvl 75 will have a base +acc of 69, which now roughly compensates for a B- weapon's rating.
It *used* to happen, if it happens now I don't know what to think about that drk, but if the dex=acc formula was given to one handers I am pretty confident that most drks would go to dual axes or something like that.

LF clearly stated the Dex=Acc bonus would only apply when not dual wielding, so it would only benefeit Rdms, Plds, Bst/war, Thf/war and other jobs who use single handed weapons and non /nin subs. As such, the only thing a Drk/Nin would gain from dual axes is speed and offhand weapons stats, basically what they gain now.

I have been leveling DRG since I unlocked it, playing this game since the PC release... and I still only have it at 65, partly due to the BS that DRG got all the time, now for once, I can actually preform very well, and all I hear is bitching.......

I have Drg friends that grinded the job from 60-75 in a few weeks with limited play time and always preformed incredible long before the update. Drgs were *never* weak, they were just the 'weakest' melee DD. But even that was debatible. Having seen both my 70+ galka Drg friends in action I can honestly say they were never 'weak' to me.

Last night was the first time i got to try out the new 2 handed changes in an EXP pt. The setup was war/sam (me), war/nin, mnk/war, nin, rdm, smn against Defoliators and traps at 60-ish. Within the first few minutes of the party I got 'reprimanded' (jokingly and in good humor so it wasn't like anyone was mean) about being an MP sponge because I would always pull hate and keep it throughout the fight. I ended up having to hold back alot, no food, only buff I used was Hasso, and I couldn't use RR until the mob had less then half it's life left, and I would still pull hate on them. That's not saying the other melees were bad or that I was superpowered or anything, just saying I was still doing impressive dmg without my buffs. The nin eventually replaced himself with another war/nin, one of the primadona types who complained about having to tank, and I noticed that our dmg wasn't that different overall. We ended up getting decent chains, on average 4s and 5s, and was constantly pulling with the only real problems coming from Traps who would sleep everyone and take us out one by one. Overall it was a fun pt, but I came away feeling that the 2 handed boost wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Maybe it's different at higher lvls, maybe it's cause I didn't buff as much as I could have or maybe it's was just gear differences but I didn't feel like I was blowing the War/Nins or the Mnk out of the water in terms of dmg output.

So long story short, it's a great change but I really don't think it's that overpowered.

[Kailea]

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never ment to make it sound like "DRG suck" because I for one know we never did ;p

I was mainly talking about all the bad press we DRGs have had to deal with over time, and its about time I can beat things down without mercy. But I am sure if enough people complain and moan like they always to, then it will be changed, and we DRGs will get the back end of the stick again -.-

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I benefit from this but this is over the top, I'm sorry but it really is.

Finally somoene on the other side admits it.

But ZOMG Sev, ur RNG, NIN and WAR, too, BIAS!!!!1!1! Ur not tru DRG!

Really though, if beta-testing these weapon "adjustments" on live servers is SE's way of preparing for WotG, they owe everyone a free month of play.

COR, BST and PUP got adjustments, what two-handed weapons go was a public experiment.

[Sevv]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

Finally somoene on the other side admits it.
But ZOMG Sev, ur RNG, too, BIAS!!!!1!1!

Ill make a big post with everything i have seen collected during my lunch my work is making me work wtf!

[WishMaster3K]

Re: So, how do you think will change the game?

In response to thread title, my job just got a lot harder...

And you can't GIVE AWAY Woodsmans rings anymore. God Damnit. 100k down from 250 just 2 weeks ago.