Any info on the new grips?

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

SA guarantees all hits in an attack round, but it won't guarantee the that the other hits in a WS will land.

Now we know. And knowing is half the battle.

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[Futan]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

Simply put, there's nothing I can do to prove this to you. A parser would say 100% even if only one hit landed and screenshots would prove nothing. If you don't believe, either ask a THF or /THF friend who knows their stuff, or test it out yourself. The crit only applies to the 1st hit but the accuracy applies to all hits of the round or the WS, 1-handed or 2-handed.

[Celeal]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

Simply put, there's nothing I can do to prove this to you. A parser would say 100% even if only one hit landed and screenshots would prove nothing. If you don't believe, either ask a THF or /THF friend who knows their stuff, or test it out yourself. The crit only applies to the 1st hit but the accuracy applies to all hits of the round or the WS, 1-handed or 2-handed.

This is false. It can be proved by the TP return of the Sneak Attack + multi-hit WS, and it has been proven in the past.

[Ziero]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

Simply put, there's nothing I can do to prove this to you. A parser would say 100% even if only one hit landed and screenshots would prove nothing. If you don't believe, either ask a THF or /THF friend who knows their stuff, or test it out yourself. The crit only applies to the 1st hit but the accuracy applies to all hits of the round or the WS, 1-handed or 2-handed.

I AM a Thf who knows his stuff, and I know SA only affects the first hit of Multi-hit WS and can only proc on one swing of Multi-hit Weapons.

And it's VERY easy to prove as it was pointed out. Multi-hit WS give more TP return when all hits land. So if you gain 5 tp per hit and use Fastblade, a 2 hit WS, with no DA or TA procs, the most TP you can get is 6. The normal TP of 5 Per hit for the first and an additional 1 TP per extra hit. So if you use SA Fastblade and only get 5 TP, that means one of the two hits missed. This is more noticable on Multi-hit WS like Raging Rush (3 hits) or Dancing Edge (5 hits) and will cause their numbers to fluctuate wildly. It's why my SaTa DEs had a range of 500-1200 on VT Colibri the last time I EXPed. If all hits were 100% Acc like the first one, I'd always have a TP return of 9 or higher and always do 900+ Dmg per WS on Thf. And that does NOT happen.

[Armando]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

Ok, to be honest, I haven't checked myself if SA guarantees all hits in an attack round, as I don't have multi-hit weapons. However, Spider-Dan has posted several times on the THF forums that it does guarantee the offhand hit from Dual Wield.

[Ziero]

Re: Any info on the new grips?

Ok, to be honest, I haven't checked myself if SA guarantees all hits in an attack round, as I don't have multi-hit weapons. However, Spider-Dan has posted several times on the THF forums that it does guarantee the offhand hit from Dual Wield.

...true.

But from my understanding, Multi-hit weapons don't proc during WS and overwrite DA for the hand they're equiped in. Or at least that's what I heard. And though it's much harder to prove or disprove, I doubt DA and TA procs on SaTa multi-hit WSs get the acc boost either. But the problem is that it's hard to tell if DA/TA went off and missed or just never proc'd so we can't judge that by TP gain. I guess you could consider the dmg calculations as, from my understanding, DA/TA swings on WSs aren't affected by the WS modifiers and as such are no stronger then a normal hit. But finding a situation where you could fully test that would be kinda hard.