Prediction of poster reaction to update thread

[Sevv]

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[Sevv]

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[WishMaster3K]

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What forum is that? Oh yeah, doesn't matter because I don't fucking go there.

What a fucking primadona. Just because I leveled my RDM in the days where pulling a link meant you zoned and had to sneak/invis up after you raised someone because the mobs were walking back doesn't mean I'm going to hold it over the heads of people who didn't experience it

(For example, Hongman is a fine RDM who grew up in the Patch Era and never had to deal with a Garlaige train or some other annoyance because of retarded pullers. Doesn't mean I respect him any less.)

First and foremost, this update is overwhelmingly positive, and it should help people out. Asshats always find something to complain about, and for all of BBQs annoying tendacies, even HE doesn't take it to the level of asshatery displayed in that fine post, Sev.

They should be fucking excited.

Did you know that Erase is FUCKING FIVE K now? When I bought it for my WHM back then it was 500k.

In THAT ECONOMY. That was a LOT. Now you can't give Erase away to NPCs anymore without an "lol" being thrown at you.

God damnit, I hate some people in this community.

[Sevv]

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What forum is that? Oh yeah, doesn't matter because I don't fucking go there.

Bg and I use to play with that poster i did a /facepalm

What a fucking primadona. Just because I leveled my RDM in the days where pulling a link meant you zoned and had to sneak/invis up after you raised someone because the mobs were walking back doesn't mean I'm going to hold it over the heads of people who didn't experience it

You are right now omgz lol jking.

(For example, Hongman is a fine RDM who grew up in the Patch Era and never had to deal with a Garlaige train or some other annoyance because of retarded pullers. Doesn't mean I respect him any less.)

Shhhh don't build his confidence kris will never forgive you O.o!!!! Aye tho GC trains were such an awesome feet lol, btw you can use jump on lower level bats and train every bat in the zone lol.

First and foremost, this update is overwhelmingly positive, and it should help people out. Asshats always find something to complain about, and for all of BBQs annoying tendacies, even HE doesn't take it to the level of asshatery displayed in that fine post, Sev.
They should be fucking excited.

Even bbq isn't 100% happy, its a bigger update for exp then any job, they gave you the free regen again!

Did you know that Erase is FUCKING FIVE K now? When I bought it for my WHM back then it was 500k.
In THAT ECONOMY. That was a LOT. Now you can't give Erase away to NPCs anymore without an "lol" being thrown at you.
God damnit, I hate some people in this community.

I paid 750k for erase and lvl 32 whms dont have it still when they ding makes me cry.

[Jarre]

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Well thats 3 predictions I have got right....

A few points................
1.Euorpean Gamers will be shafted again as they do the maintenance over our primetime.
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Edit Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Date & Time]
Aug. 27, 2007 from 9:00 to 16:00 (PDT) (12:00 to 19:00 EDT, 16:00 to 23:00 GMT)

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2. I will complain about it again
7. This thread will reach 5 pages....

[Lmnop]

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Bbq isn't happy for the same reason I'm not happy: NEVER get your hopes up. This goes triple with S-E.

Thanks Sev. That 2nd post was hilarious.

Well thats 3 predictions I have got right....

yw.

[Sevv]

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Well thats 3 predictions I have got right....

Bbq isn't happy for the same reason I'm not happy: NEVER get your hopes up. This goes triple with S-E.
Thanks Sev. That 2nd post was hilarious.
yw.

He was from ifrit.... good player tho

Jarre yw i expect you to thank me and lmnop for "spamming" your page 3

if you missed the post about foot mouth and bbq here is the hot pic

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Hmm. I'm a bit disappointed with the BST update, to be honest.

I like "Stay" as "healing", which adds an alternative to Leave and Reward for recharging pet HP. However, the lack of EXP penalty means getting to Lv.37 for Leave is no longer the achievement it once was. I think it would've been better to lessen the penalty than to have removed it entirely; an EM (or an even high DC) pet is really strong, and should impose trade-off beyond a chance of mis-charm/becoming un-charmed.

Put it another way: you suffer an "exp penalty" when you kill monsters with another person in party instead of by yourself. An EM pet is as strong of a DD (if not stronger) than any DD party member, so why shouldn't there be an exp penalty?

Longer jug pet time is nice, but still doesn't address the need for better (but still Gil efficient) jug pets--though S-E may yet surprise us. Forgetting (yet again) the problem with losing claim on pet swap really sucks, though.

Overall, I consider this update unbalanced, and doesn't address the deeper problems.

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COR update seemed to have gone overboard at first glance, but since COR does not have as complete array of buffs as BRD, I guess it's OK if their buffs do slightly better on average, compared to BRD's counterparts.

Reserving judgment on this...

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I always thought it was broken that Automatons cannot heal party members; very glad S-E is fixing that. Not sure about increase in DD capability of Automatons; are they really that bad presently?

My experience with PUPs are limited; I've seen a PUP (using range attack Automaton) out DD'ing well equipped WAR and BLM in Lv.30's on bats, so have a bit of trouble believing they are all that terrible as DD, at least in Lv.30's and Lv.40's.

I'm told that they do a lot worse in the Lv.60's, but then there's that video of one solo'ing VT Colibri in mostly artifact armor. (S/he tanked, Automaton healed.) Even if a PUP cannot do much damage, that feat seem rather impressive.

I can see an argument that they can't do enough DD and help out party in other ways in total to justify their slot in the party at higher levels, but the new heads could help with that without upgrade to Automaton's DD skills.

Is PUP's problem lack of damage? Or, lack of finner control over Automaton? *shrug*

[Armando]

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At the very least it makes the BST job make some sense.

BST concept: It understands the hearts of beasts! Animals would gladly fight alongside it! Man and beast working side by side.

Current application: Pets are temporary and as recyclable as paper. Be sure to get rid of it before you finish off your target!

Sure, it may not address the "deeper issues" but it's still a good boost. You say why shouldn't there be an EXP penalty - I say why SHOULD there be? BST is a pet job. A DRG doesn't take an EXP penalty for having a Healing Wyvern and we all know how well they solo with it. PUPs don't take EXP penalties for their 'matons, and a PUP + Automaton duo is analogous to a BST and its pet (DD + DD,) except the Automaton is even more flexible than a BST pet.

Sure, there's still a lack for good jug pets. You're certainly right about that. But at least using an DC-EM pet (which, correct me if I'm wrong, should be stronger than the average jug pet) isn't out of the question for EXP any more.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Meh. I posted that in the wrong thread.

You say why shouldn't there be an EXP penalty - I say why SHOULD there be? BST is a pet job. A DRG doesn't take an EXP penalty for having a Healing Wyvern and we all know how well they solo with it. PUPs don't take EXP penalties for their 'matons, and a PUP + Automaton duo is analogous to a BST and its pet (DD + DD,) except the Automaton is even more flexible than a BST pet.

BST's native Axe skill gives it close to WAR's DD output; an EM pet can equal or exceed that, from what I've read. BST+ EM Pet under the best scenario is like two DDs in one party slot.

DRG + Wyvern can't do that. PUP + Automaton can't do that.

Furthermore, DRG's healing ability is limited to low HP, means relying on it adds danger to the party. Automaton (up to now) can only heal the PUP, and PUP himself (sans Automaton) isn't anywhere near BST in terms of DD capability. Post update, PUP/Automaton still have to work within the Maneuver system. In essence, the trade off's are built-in for those two jobs.

My argument is that ability to keep EM pet nearly indefinitely (Leave, then re-Charm) without a potent trade-off (e.g. exp penalty) makes that aspect of the game a bit broken.

Then again, the game on the whole has been steadily nerfed, with one increase in player capability after another in forms of job/gear upgrades. Perhaps it is S-E's intention to make everything but new endgame contents easier and easier over time.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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It would have been funny four hours prior to posting it, but seeing as I ate my crow at 11:50am EST, this is getting old.

Timing is comedy.

[Armando]

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My argument is that ability to keep EM pet nearly indefinitely (Leave, then re-Charm) without a potent trade-off (e.g. exp penalty) makes that aspect of the game a bit broken.

Eh. Even if I granted you that, it's still not as broken as many other things (insert Ridill rant here, etc.). I see where you're coming from, but even if it were broken it wouldn't make BST more popular, or everyone's "zomg invite him" DD. Old stigmas die hard. It'd have to go beyond broken and into the realm of "ridiculous" for the status quo to change.

I predict that after this update, BSTs will be more awesome than ever but still a small group of players, and still relatively unpopular for parties. There'll be an initial rush of people who've been waiting for BST mechanics to stop being so damned frustrating so they could level the job, but after that it'll be mostly the same.

[Silent Howler]

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BST concept: It understands the hearts of beasts! Animals would gladly fight alongside it! Man and beast working side by side.

Current application: Pets are temporary and as recyclable as paper. Be sure to get rid of it before you finish off your target!

I have SMN, and I always thought it was fun to see "Carbuncle defeats (mob)." But with BST, that's not the way it typically goes. BST has to get ride of their pet and then finish the mob off themselves.

[Hyrist]

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Bbq isn't happy for the same reason I'm not happy: NEVER get your hopes up. This goes triple with S-E.

Disclaimer: This is a response to the generalized statement above, NOT a personal attack to the poster. I'm just ranting here.


Question: How many times does SE have to deliver update-gold to the people's doorstep before people stop shitting on it and regain some faith?

Take a look at the past YEAR of updates, maybe even farther. The day's of "Nerfs" are pretty much considered over in my book. Every update thus far has added to the availability, performance, and entertainment factors of the game since ToAU.

And without fail what do I hear? "It's not good enough!" Over, and Over. Some aspects of this game are released full well in the knowledge that it's almost considered a public Beta for that event/adjustment and players still gripe like it's forever tainted or horrible in some manner.

Before the update is even out INSTNATLY someone comes up with a Slippery Slope, Scarecrow or some other illogical argument to prove to themselves that this update is "Bad for the game" while statistically speaking SE's batting 1000 for the year of 2007.

If you're not going to be satisfied, just save yourself the wasted time and money and quit the game. It can't really be any more simple than that.

If you're playing the game and seeing the update, fine, an air of caution is nice, but there's no need not to get excited. So far this update has shown fix after fix that players have been shouting for. EVEN IF it falls short in some aspects, these are steps in the correct direction.

I mean, imagine this game in 05 compared to today. IMO it's about time we give SE a pat on the back for a job well done already. Goodness knowns without encouragement they might actually go back to their old nerfing ways, and goodness knows we don't need that to happen.

[Lmnop]

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Disclaimer: This is a response to the generalized statement above, NOT a personal attack to the poster. I'm just ranting here.
Question: How many times does SE have to deliver update-gold to the people's doorstep before people stop shitting on it and regain some faith?
Take a look at the past YEAR of updates, maybe even farther. The day's of "Nerfs" are pretty much considered over in my book. Every update thus far has added to the availability, performance, and entertainment factors of the game since ToAU.
And without fail what do I hear? "It's not good enough!" Over, and Over. Some aspects of this game are released full well in the knowledge that it's almost considered a public Beta for that event/adjustment and players still gripe like it's forever tainted or horrible in some manner.
Before the update is even out INSTNATLY someone comes up with a Slippery Slope, Scarecrow or some other illogical argument to prove to themselves that this update is "Bad for the game" while statistically speaking SE's batting 1000 for the year of 2007.
If you're not going to be satisfied, just save yourself the wasted time and money and quit the game. It can't really be any more simple than that.
If you're playing the game and seeing the update, fine, an air of caution is nice, but there's no need not to get excited. So far this update has shown fix after fix that players have been shouting for. EVEN IF it falls short in some aspects, these are steps in the correct direction.
I mean, imagine this game in 05 compared to today. IMO it's about time we give SE a pat on the back for a job well done already. Goodness knowns without encouragement they might actually go back to their old nerfing ways, and goodness knows we don't need that to happen.

Har har. Thank ye much.
I understand you're trying to provide a counterpoint to the view provided in what you quoted, but he only thing you can afford to be attacking is the statement: "This goes triple with S-E." First and foremost, I'm a pessimist by nature. The rest of what you quoted is completely par-of-course for me. This is what I expect when I go to work. This is what I expect when I join an exp party. Uncertain, and likely as not: terrible.

Square has a history of baby steps. You're right that they keep really turning things on their head recently, and I find it quite interesting. But honestly, an update that gives a level 60 PUP's 'maton 7% higher hit rate isn't exactly huge. That's not to say that I disdain the update and don't think it's enough.

It's me showing a perfect example of baby steps.

I'm not going to come in here making posts about blowing my load over how awesome the update is. Will I praise the update? Sure. Am I going to get my hopes up? Fuck no.

People who say things like "lolz now BRD's useless" (I know someone did in the other thread and I don't mean to bash on that person by saying this) are only stimulating what happened to RNG: They got nerfed, people said they're useless too early. And now we have lolRNG. Oh wait, most RNGs I party with top the parsers.

Finally, requoting to hit this particular sentence:

Before the update is even out INSTNATLY someone comes up with a Slippery Slope, Scarecrow or some other illogical argument to prove to themselves that this update is "Bad for the game"

You say this isn't a personal attack on the poster, but this sentence seems to imply that I'm the one talking about how this is bad for the game. I still like you, don't worry. But please don't assume you know a thing about how I feel about this update.

For me, this is the best update since the food change (I like anything that encourages better variety). But I'm still going to assume it'll suck so that I can be truly happy when it turns out to be good (like watching Transformers directly after watching Fantastic Four 2. I'm still not sure if Transformers was that bad ass of a movie or if I was just so surprised that it didn't suck as much as FF2).