COR + BRD in same party

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Rogue's (crit) + Fighter's (DA) + Min + March > your stupid attack roll!

Depends on who's in PT. WARs are generally a given in most merit PT setups so Fighter's Roll isn't a hard choice, but without THF for Rouge or DRK for Chaos Roll, its generally not as good as it could be. Chaos Roll is insanely good for most PTs when the DRK is there. Laughing off Chaos Roll + DRK is just a foolish as underestimating the power of Minuets (which players still sadly do).

try cor/whm +brd/whm and either 4x of any DD (mnk, nin, war. bst....etc) for TP burn. It would be pretty amazing. If you both have alot +MP stuff and being a taru. (having like 250s each around 60).

Who pulls? You're advocating a roaming PT, which is possible, but not practical in a competitive camp.

Worse is you're telling the top to merit pullers in the game to team up to make one gimped Pink Mage. COR and BRD with /WHM should be the very last two jobs you look at for healing. They're great for stepping up and taking over on status cures for a main healer and spot cures, but that's about it, its a disservice to the talents of both jobs to make them primary healers.

Could it work? Sure, it can work, but not everyone is pro at counting shadows and that makes /WHM hard on the user.

Jobx4... with a COR... I shouldn't have to tell you how wrong that is (and not in a good way). x4 anything is pretty mudane and thoughtless as it is, but you should be giving COR two jobs to play off of, not one. The more diverse the better, usuall. Give me four different melees so I can really make it cook, not just the banal WAR or MNKx4.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Sorry to tell you Omgwtfbbqkitten, it works. Because i tried it. Who pulling ? the fighters of course. It doesn't take a cor/nin to pull. In a party of war/nin x4. Either 1 war could pull, what they do during pull anyway ? nothing. If it is a mnk/ninx4 or drg/nin x4 i will pull and do rotation healing with the brd. But there is NO excuse for war, drk, sam, thf without range and if they /nin they are better puller then corsair.(Don't tell me because they all have bomb core) Tell me what make corsair better puller then a war/nin if both have ranged attack? When corsair have to buff and constantly checking timers.

Half of the corsair think they are puller, but not me, i never thought corsair as puller, i enjoy my /rng and even /rng if you ask a taru /rng to pull, you are telling me i should die. If i have to keep 4 buff up without Effect wore off middle of the fight and pull + DD and debuff ? Please kill me already.

Anyway, I don't know how long you haven't pt but on asura, 4x same class TP burn are very common and widely used for 50-70 @least as far as i been in every group.

[nazlfrag]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

brd+cor+rdm makes an insane unstoppable killing machine. It's a blast. I'm sure it can work many ways, but that's how I've experienced cor+brd in a party and it was a memorable occasion.

[Legal Fish]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Brd Brd Cor > Brd Cor Rdm

[Tokitoki]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Depends on who's in PT. WARs are generally a given in most merit PT setups so Fighter's Roll isn't a hard choice, but without THF for Rouge or DRK for Chaos Roll, its generally not as good as it could be. Chaos Roll is insanely good for most PTs when the DRK is there. Laughing off Chaos Roll + DRK is just a foolish as underestimating the power of Minuets (which players still sadly do).

That's great with the insults and all, but did you realize he didn't say there was a DRK in the PT? Maybe before you call someone foolish (even if you feel it is a nice way of putting it) you should go back and looka t what has been said.

Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.

[Shadowneko]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

I got a party with both a bard and a corsair in it once! Totall awesome since I had free cabuncle with Balad and the corsiars roll as summoner....I was actually gaining MP with carbuncle out XD

[Richie]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

i rather get smn over rdm most of the time. RDm just doesn't brother to haste.

I guess I wasn't clear, I'll make the correction.

A good red mage*

Why would anyone put up with a rdm that doesn't haste especially if his only refresh is on himself?

[Legal Fish]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

I haste and refresh everyone if they are decent. I'll even both Haste and Refresh PLDs and BLUs(and DRKs when their MP falls below 25%) if there is a WHM in my party.

Anyone who has trouble with haste and refresh cycles is seriously mentally retarded, and managing MP as a RDM isn't hard at all. Until I tried it, I would always hear "RDM is the hardest job is the hardest job in the game". So far, it's been easier than BLM, considering I don't have to manage my hate.

[Omni]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Since when do ppl underestimate the power of minuets? Considering that's the most played song out of a brd's horn for melee.

I'll have to agree on the +crit %. a nin or mnk having 15-17% crit is just something i'd rather not pass over. even its at the cost of 20-30 atk. Crits are the way to bring those jins and a.fists to the insane numbers they can hit.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

I'd be scared to see AFist on an All Critical spamgasm. Granted no hits missing.

Just give me Refresh and keep my melee happy, and I'll be a content tank.

If they can't perform those two functions, they're not worth their data in microchips.

[Tokitoki]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Weaponskills that don't have a TP Crit mod cant critical, so Asuran Fists can't crit. That's what everyone says at least.

But it certainly helps Jin and Rampage.

[Menelaus]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

I was in a bard + Cor out at the oasis in East Altep as my thf and everytime i went to pull i would glance down at the MP and be like wtf? It was constantly full (except for the pld) who was tarutaru and due to the frequent pulling was empty most the time. I am lvling cor and rng along side my thf I cant wait till i get some of the cool rolls past 40.
Oh i did a merit pty with brd war war mnk rng pld did double paeon the whole time and managed to break chain 40 even with my crappy elvaan MP.

[Sevv]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

That's great with the insults and all, but did you realize he didn't say there was a DRK in the PT? Maybe before you call someone foolish (even if you feel it is a nice way of putting it) you should go back and looka t what has been said.
Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.

He is right I didn't say I had a dark in the party.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: COR + BRD in same party

Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.

That's great, I wasn't talking about your PTs. If catered exclusively to WARs, I'd be a terrible BRD and COR for doing so. I look at the whole setup of melee and then evaluate my buffs before going. I'm not there to poll you on what you meritted, nor do I care.

See, what I hate about merit PTs is everyone talks about it like its some science, but then they ask for the bare minimum from BRD and COR and don't want to try anything different. You want the +Crits? Get me a THF, they won't slow us down at all and it will be even better, I promise. THF in PT is +6% more crits than just rolling Rouge's without.

Overall, I want jobs that give bonuses to my buffs. Its not a hard concept to grasp.

Since when do ppl underestimate the power of minuets? Considering that's the most played song out of a brd's horn for melee.

Um, just about every BRD I've PTed with underestimates or underplays minuets. Maybe its just something in the water on Titan, but I hardly see it. BRD gets them merits, that's all they know, so they'll just spam March x2 on all the melee without considering the job. Its driven my RNG to /WAR + meat in merits because the best it gets for me with these Tards is Prelude.