Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

[Kailea]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

lol, im sorry, the majority of the user base is on PC, an that along side the 360 user base, almost 100% complete user base, as most PS2 users also have the game on another platform...
Id guess the only people that defend this are those that cant afford to buy the game on a second platform, possibly because they spend that money on Gilz, who knows?
Scrap the PS2 version, Supe up the PC version, move the game on...

hahaha what world do you live in? if you count the world.... not just USA, the biggest account base is on the PS2, I think some where around 50% at least.

Taskmage is right, with a decent PC and tweaked setting the game looks great

Over lay 1440x900
Background 2048x2048
Mip mapping 6
Bump Mapping ON
Texture compression uncompressed
on screen map uncompressed

and I get this........... (take with Fraps)

PIC 1

PIC 2

and for a people that dont want to click links ;p



Needs a graphics update? na ^.^

sorry.... I had it set to public, did not think you needed a membership if I had it set to that -.-


something is wrong with the first two pics it seems.... -.- stupid thing

[Callisto]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

I think it looks fine on 360 as well...

[Shadowneko]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

The graphics are fine...and I'm used to the PS2 XD(I like it and I've even played the PS2 version on my PS3)

The only restriction I wana complain about is I wish they'd drop the 56K modem restrictions from FFXI and cap it abit higher(maybe 768k broadband). When FFXI started I don't think many people had broadband...and nowadays alot of us can't live without it!

If they dropped the 56K cap it'd kill a mess of lag issues including stuff related to beseged...

[zettair]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

Unfortunately, most of the United States does not have a broadband connection. I know I am one of them. I love FFXI and would hate to not be able to play it. I know that 56k causes lag issues for others but some people just can't help it. My area will never get broadband as it just isn't profitable for telecom companies to do it and the government will never mandate them to do it.

[Kailea]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

removing the 56k cap would actually couse more lag, keeping everyone at one speed, lowers lag, because everyone is running at the same speed.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

i say what the heck...ppl with the ps2 that can afford a ps3 should be able to transfer their memory from the ps2 to the ps3 and be able to continue from where they left off. this would mean more updates cuz of the ps3's higher capasity.

[Kuro]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

removing the 56k cap would actually couse more lag, keeping everyone at one speed, lowers lag, because everyone is running at the same speed.

How the hell does that work?

[Feba]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

How the hell does that work?

Poor Kuro. You need a PhD in Bullshitology to understand what's going on in this topic.

i say what the heck...ppl with the ps2 that can afford a ps3 should be able to transfer their memory from the ps2 to the ps3 and be able to continue from where they left off. this would mean more updates cuz of the ps3's higher capasity.

Or how about we NOT force people to spend five hundred and ninety nine U.S. dollars on something they don't want to play an MMO that they pay for most of, and see how that goes? I personally would rather not see SE shoot itself in the foot.

Although nixing the PS2 right now is more like chopping off your legs. and an arm.

[Kailea]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

Think of it like two people running in a three legged race....

Runner A is running at 56k and runner B is running at T1 speed

of course runner B will be bogged down by runner A because he is slower, but if runner B slowed down to runner As 56k speed, then they both would run smoother.

In an MMORPG the speed of your internet does not really matter to your game play, like it does in FPS

but I would love to be able to download patches at my speed -.-

[Shadowneko]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

Think of it like two people running in a three legged race....

Runner A is running at 56k and runner B is running at T1 speed

of course runner B will be bogged down by runner A because he is slower, but if runner B slowed down to runner As 56k speed, then they both would run smoother.

In an MMORPG the speed of your internet does not really matter to your game play, like it does in FPS

but I would love to be able to download patches at my speed -.-

They could at least raise the cap...I don't know but I have DSL because the cost is just cheaper in the long run...and I'd have to have a second phone line to run dial up which figures into my costs...

The only reason to have dial-up in my opinion is if you're stuck in a dead zone...and dead zones are slowly shrinking...(personnly after have DSL for so long I can't go back to dial-up...it's just too slow for me!)

[Mythos]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

In the US there are still a lot more dead zones than you might think. In coastal cities, and other countries, less so, but still.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

Think of it like two people running in a three legged race....

Runner A is running at 56k and runner B is running at T1 speed

Er... No.

You're not running with another other player--your client (PC, PS2, or xBox360) communicates only with S-E's servers. (As far as FFXI goes.) The servers are on some ultra high speed network which 99% of the players will never match--and would never need to, either

Very bad analogy. Completely wrong concept.

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It's not clear to me where the majority of the bottlenecking occurs in FFXI. ("Uncap from 56k" isn't exactly a precise prescription, either.)

Instead of asking for some random, flavor-of-the-week changes in hopes of improving the game, I much rather S-E get questions like "What are the major contributing factors to the poor performance of FFXI during Besieged?"

(i.e. Don't propose solutions without understanding the problem.)

[Kailea]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

Er... No.
You're not running with another other player--your client (PC, PS2, or xBox360) communicates only with S-E's servers. (As far as FFXI goes.) The servers are on some ultra high speed network which 99% of the players will never match--and would never need to, either
Very bad analogy. Completely wrong concept.
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It's not clear to me where the majority of the bottlenecking occurs in FFXI. ("Uncap from 56k" isn't exactly a precise prescription, either.)
Instead of asking for some random, flavor-of-the-week changes in hopes of improving the game, I much rather S-E get questions like "What are the major contributing factors to the poor performance of FFXI during Besieged?"
(i.e. Don't propose solutions without understanding the problem.)

You have two people heading towards the same goal at the same time, thats where my 3 legged race reference came from, its common knowledge that you only communicate wit the server, thats how every MMORPG works -.-

For one I never even talked about the servers access speed to the internet..... and Besieged is "bottle necked" at that 56k cap along with the PS2s graphic limits

Example with Garrison

Same group of people same place and same time frame, I did my first Garrison on my PS2, and the frame rate was horrible, then before the second garrison, I changed to my PC, and I ran smoother then glass .

Same with Besieged, I don't have near as many lag issues as others complain about, yeah I lag in besieged, but who doesn't ;p but I run alot smoother then anyone on PS2.

[Taskmage]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

There's another thread about this idea specifically here: http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ask...striction.html

It would make sense to me to continue the discussion there.

[Aeni]

Re: Anyone gettting fustrated with the ps2?

I wanted to make a clarification on that Gamasutra study that I saw posted (There were a lot of developer contributions in the subsequent forum topic regarding this)

First of all, the study done was an approximation based on sales. As you know, sales is not an accurate measurement of the real numbers. There are some major factors which might skew that study.

1. Buying used games is a huge business in Japan. There exists secondary and even tertiary markets for used video games. Many customers in Japan don't generally buy titles on release day. For many, they patiently wait for those same titles to hit the used game market in order to take advantage of the subsequent discounts. The wait isn't that long either. Generally, within a week or two, even titles such as Final Fantasy XII will hit the used game shelves.

2. There are several businesses in Japan that sell used FFXI games, which includes the account tied to the game discs. In Japan, there is an option to pay for your accounts with cash up front at any of the predesignated retail outlets and SE offices. IIRC, you could even pay for the monthly fee in person at a local Lawsons. When I got my PS2 in Okinawa, I remember a shop there that had 2 used FFXI titles for sale with the account tied to it, one of the accounts had a 75 BST character still tied to it.

3. Many PS2 units are available as rental equipment at rental game outlets. For a minimal monthly fee and minimum amount of titles rented every month, you can "lease" these units for any number of months (which was either signed or agreed upon when first rented) I know of at least two LS mates in the JP LS I'm in that were doing this (They would be online for maybe a couple of months and then suddently not be on for several months, and then return online again)

4. PS3 Units are now available as rental equipment and is quickly becoming more popular than the PS2 units on a daily basis. There are also "trade-up" promotions going on among major retailers, like Rockets, which allows for a purchase of a new PS3 unit at a discounted price.

Overall, there is no real hard proof of the actual number of PS2 users in Japan playing FFXI due to the fact that many of the account holders are temporary players and that the accounts can exchange hands. It is not a foreign concept for Japanese players to acquire an account from another player and due to the flexible payment system which does not require a credit card (again, payments can be made in person and in cash as cash is still king in Japan) that it's not a difficult thing for these players to do. It's not uncommon for an account to have more than 2 different owners in its history.

Also, PC sales have really taken off recently in Japan, where more and more "hard core" PC systems are becoming popular with teenagers and college students.