Ingame User Interface

[WishMaster3K]

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If you wanna use windower and it's tools, go ahead.

Windower is benign in function.

What I don't agree with is movement hacks and teleport hacks and etc etc etc.

Unfair advantage stuff.

[Yellow Mage]

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GMs aren't omniscient.

Heresy!

Windower is benign in function.

What I don't agree with is . . . Unfair advantage stuff.

I find this to be hipocritical, as Windower, in being "benign in function," is an unfair advantage against old-fashioned joes like myself, who don't want to have anything to do with it.

[Armando]

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Maybe in your little world, however in the real world that's exactly what cheating means.

Fine, let me correct that: There's a difference between not following the rules and conditions every player agrees to for playing the game, and actually cheating at playing the game in a manner similar to using Gameshark/Action Replay cheats.

[WishMaster3K]

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While I am of the opinion that no one player should have a distinct advantage over their game environment than the next, Windower macros are awesome.

[Shadowneko]

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Just for debate as well but...NO ONE gets banned for windower. It's that simple. If you go shouting about it, yes you do, but there is no other way for a GM to find out that you're using one, so you're safe. I don't like people assuming "I use windower, I'm going to get banned later, aww shiet" Just use it, and don't use plug-ins if it bothers you that much, cause you're never gonna get caught.

Carefull what you say about "No one" and "never". My point mainly is that SE is in a banning mood...heck how any RMTs got banned for other weird 3rd party things? How long is it gonna be before they start banning for little stuff because RMTs use it to bot or something?

[Yellow Mage]

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While I am of the opinion that no one player should have a distinct advantage over their game environment than the next, Windower macros are awesome.

I find this to be hipocritical, as Windower, in being "benign in function," is an unfair advantage against old-fashioned joes like myself, who don't want to have anything to do with it.

Perhaps you missed my post the first time around?

Really, you saying that warp/speed hacks being "environmental advantages" being any different than Windower is, in fact, the exact same nonsense as Armando stating "Breaking the Rules =/= Cheating."

In fact . . .

In Video Games:

Main article: Cheating (video games)

There are various forms of cheating in video games. In Role Playing Games one of the most popular methods is using "trainer" programs, which usually greatly inflates players's stats/attributes. In Strategy (real-time or turn-based) games, similar programs are often used to maximize player's own resources, or weakening opponents.

Attitudes to cheating vary. On one hand, cheating allows casual players to complete games at much-accelerated speed, and this is especially helpful nowadays as typical RPG games can take well over one-hundred hours to finish. For single-player games, this is largely a matter of taste. On the other hand, as internet-based multiplayer games, such as MMORPG games are becoming more and more popular, cheating in those types of games are often prohibited.

So, essentially, Cheating = Rule-Breaking, since the ToS states that FFXI is one of those games where cheating (especially with 3rd-party tools) is actually prohibited.

[WishMaster3K]

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I'll rephrase.

Windower macros are orgasmic.

One taste and I threw out all my morals. But I see your point, Yellow Mage.

I just can't be swayed elsewhere. GO GO Gadget 16 equipment swaps at one.

[KoukiRyu]

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Carefull what you say about "No one" and "never". My point mainly is that SE is in a banning mood...heck how any RMTs got banned for other weird 3rd party things? How long is it gonna be before they start banning for little stuff because RMTs use it to bot or something?

My point on this is, it doesn't matter if SE is just picking people with names they don't like and banning them, they're not getting banned for Windower. They -can't- find out about it unless you admit to it, so why do you think anyone would ever get banned for it?

[Feba]

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I find this to be hipocritical, as Windower, in being "benign in function," is an unfair advantage against old-fashioned joes like myself, who don't want to have anything to do with it.

I'd like to know exactly how being able to look at other things while i'm playing gives me an advantage.

Actually, I have two computers- the second computer lets me to EXACTLY the same thing as Windower. Are you saying that we should ban people from using another computer while they play FFXI?

[Mhurron]

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I'd like to know exactly how being able to look at other things while i'm playing gives me an advantage.
Actually, I have two computers- the second computer lets me to EXACTLY the same thing as Windower. Are you saying that we should ban people from using another computer while they play FFXI?

Your second computer tells you the optimal distance from mobs for ranged attacks? Your second computer gave you endless macros?

You know full well you're ignoring how the Windower gives players an advantage.

[Feba]

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You know full well you're ignoring how the Windower gives players an advantage.

Wrong. Those are Windower plugins. Giant difference.

[MisterCookie]

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Wrong. Those are Windower plugins. Giant difference.

It was assumed that when he referred to "Windower", it also meant associated plugins.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Windower by default installs a few plug-in's, right?

[Murphie]

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It installs them, but only TParty loads automatically. And you can turn that off in-game, or by removing it from the .ini file in the scripts folder.

Still. It does come with plugins. The version without any plugins is no longer supported.

[Kailea]

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Look at it this way, when SE releases their own windower, they will start to crack down more on the current one. I do agree, I used to use Windower back when I did not have my Wii, but I only used it for the "window" I removed all the other stuff. If SE wants any of the "extras" then they will add it when they make their windower, but don't count on it.