Odin, Alexander and Spoiler Warnings.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Odin and Alexander have an established place in the ToA missions, but as I've been redoing and refreshing my memory on CoP 5-3 mission, there have been notable references to both of them if you're familiar with thier descriptions and charactarization in ToA.

However, I'm a little confused

Lots of spoilers, might wish to look away if you're not too deep into RoZ, CoP or ToA,

In Louvarance's Path, we learn that the moblins were seeking thier god, an "Iron Giant bathed in Light" and instead find a statue of Promathia, so they end up worshipping Promathia, thinking they had found what they're looking for.

In Tenzen's Path, there is much talk about the sleeping gods, except we learn in Ulmia's Path that one of them is no longer sleeping. The "Dark Divinity" and the magicite he speaks through (in Elizabeathan English, at that) would clearly imply that the stattered dark protocrystal belonged to the same named "Dark Divinity" in ToA missions, Odin, Ruler of the Underworld.

However, they say the Dark Divinity is "newly awakened" which seems to conflict with Luzaf's story of Odin, who was there to grant Luzaf's wish for revenge 200 years before ToA's story. Odin is implicated in the Northlands incident and supplying the Shadow Lord with minions and magicite to attract the beastmen to do his bidding. So his awakening is anything but recent.

So with the machinations of Zilart and Kuluu aside, Odin is one big troublemaker by himself. And if Alxander is his opposite, then he's probably no longer sleeping, either.

But he needs a body and interestingly enough, Alexander faces the same problem. Odin needs Luzaf to manifest himself while Alexander needs to be rebuilt and fueled by the astral candesences.

The potential conflict between Odin and Alexander would be consistant with Carbuncle's account of what would happen were the sleeping gods to awaken and the Memoria de la Stona's completion in verse, combined with the Star of Tavnazia (Magicite created by Odin) to awaken the other avatars and Promathia to cause chaos. As if Bahamut wasn't a big enough problem in CoPs.

And now, in ToA, it seems Odin's desire for chaos has led to the beginnings of another Great War. Odin has his pawn, Luzaf, who is trying to break his pact with Odin, but is presently able to. And if the Empire can truly control Alexander once rebuilt, its not exactly a good thing.

Odin Prime lurks about the game in Einherjar and as the Dark Rider NM elsewhere.

Now, it is worthy of noting in the classic FF games (III, IV, V) and FFVIII that Odin was usually reluctant to assist any heros, he appeared late in the game and you usually had special conditions to beat and obtain him. And you always had to go to the depths of some dungeon somewhere to face him and win his power. This wouldn't be a totally unusal means of being able to get him as a summon, but it is extreme. Guess we'll have to wait for more info on that.

This stuff all has my head spinning, but I'm starting to think there IS a connection between RoZ, CoP and ToA and that ToA is not some outside story. I'm not done on the CoP side yet, but totally current on RoZ and ToA. Just kinda interesting how much bigger that Northlands incident keeps getting.

[Feba]

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Yeah, watch WTG wrap all the FFXI stories so far together and knock our socks off with awesomeness, then after that we start over in the far east/north/south.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I actually think they might hook in some East and North content. Aht'Urghan - the Freeport to Jeuno's Highpass - is now technically the "center" of FFXI, replacing Jeuno to a degree, so it would be remiss to not continue to update the goings-on in the Near East.

The northlands got expanded in CoP a little and it seems that, at least so far, the history of Sandoria pre-kingdom will play a big role. Those orcs came from somewhere to ruin the Davoi settlment and they came from thier empire beyond the northlands to do it.

[Aralays]

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Lots of spoilers, might wish to look away if you're not too deep into RoZ, CoP or ToA,

In Louvarance's Path, we learn that the moblins were seeking thier god, an "Iron Giant bathed in Light" and instead find a statue of Promathia, so they end up worshipping Promathia, thinking they had found what they're looking for.

And now guess why Megomak, some moblin overlord leader guy employs the whole population of the trolls to attack Al Zahbi. In fact, I wonder if there are multiple moblin 'tribes' on this religious search and accidentally the tribe of Megomak got closest to theit goal, while the tribe in the Lands of Altana got stuck with their statue ...

My guesses for the rest of the ToAU-storyline:

It seems that the empire is constructing a new body for Alex-the-deity to kind off possess it, either because Alex-the-mecha is too dangerous and not controllable or because too many candescences are missing - or perhaps because he is incomplete.
Yes, I know they show just 5 parts of Alex, which are the remnants and Nyzul, but some days ago I was in Nashmau spoke again to the we-are-better-than-goblins-quqirn. He mentioned their race has exceptionally good eyes and in one of the ToAU-missions (before the first fight) the quqirn who gave you the key item to spawn the pirate fomor this one looked at you to check if you are a ghost. So, quqirn do have really good eyes and may see stuff other races cannot see. And one quqirn in Nashmau mentions something like "Did you see Alzadaal in the sea? There is an Alzadaal in the sky, shining like a star" or similar. So, the undersea ruins where definitley not floating around lately, so what did this guy just tell me? Some ancient story? Or in fact a sixth missing part of Alex-the-mecha, somewhere high above Aradjiah? And the little sigil under the pillars of the Candescences and above the entries to salvage show also six parts and not just five. Something definitly is still missing, a heart or a brain of Alex-the-Mecha.

This leads me to believe, that there is a last part of Alzadaal we have to enter some time in the missions. Perhaps Alex-the-deity cannot enter a new body because his mind is still stuck in the last part of Alex-the-Mecha. Perhaps even the protocrystal of light is in this place "in the sky, shining like a star".

Odin may be not an entirely evil bastard, but neither Alexander is completely good. From the way the NPCs talk about the last time these two fought, the main destruction was caused by the weapons of Alzadaal and what Alex did (was forced to do?) was more destructive than Odins attacks ...
I guess in the end, the story will lead us to a point where we have to use the power of Odin against Alex to prevent both from awaking and either destroying the continent again or - even worse - awaking without control, regaining their consciousness as deities and ending the world by restoring paradise.
Of course using-Odin-against-Alex is not necessary, it could also be the other way round. Either we side with Luzaf and he tricks Odin somehow and we fight against Rahzfad who controls Alex OR we are faster than Rahzfad and size control over the last part of Alzadaal/Alex before the grand vizier finished the work on his new mecha and then fight Odin (perhaps in Luzafs body).

In the end both deities will be weakend and unconscious/asleep again, and technically I can see both become summonable, although that is just an possibility. It might be also that Carbuncle thinks it would be to dangerous to lead these two to awakening again and doesn't give us a way to get them as summons.

I wondered also abit about Rahzfad. In the storyarc he plays abit the role of the mirror image of Luzaf. Could he become a carrier of Alexanders spirit somehow, like Luzaf is doomed to become the next Dark Rider? This would make a humanoid Alexander-summon possible who then could look like a humanoid robo-PLD (or so) instead of the floating Alzadaal.

[Malacite]

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Rahzfad intends to use their newly built Colossus and the 5 fake astral candesances to power it along with Alexander's spirit. He comes right out and says that the Age of Judgment is upon us, and that this time he will decide how history and the laws of the land will be written.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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And now guess why Megomak, some moblin overlord leader guy employs the whole population of the trolls to attack Al Zahbi. In fact, I wonder if there are multiple moblin 'tribes' on this religious search and accidentally the tribe of Megomak got closest to theit goal, while the tribe in the Lands of Altana got stuck with their statue ...

Yeah I think these moblins had a similar goal and its why they're allied with the Trolls

qiqirn

This leads me to believe, that there is a last part of Alzadaal we have to enter some time in the missions. Perhaps Alex-the-deity cannot enter a new body because his mind is still stuck in the last part of Alex-the-Mecha. Perhaps even the protocrystal of light is in this place "in the sky, shining like a star"

He could mean Tu'Lia.

[Aralays]

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Ok, I believe quqirn have really good eyes, but even I doubt he can see Tu'lia which is - as I understood - floating above Qufim from Nashmau.

[Gobo]

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He could, its possible to see Tu'Lia from Holarias Peak BC area (looks like a black speck in the sky, just look back as you are running up the hill).

Don't forget, Alex is being rebuilt from the parts of Proto-Ultima and Proto-Omega. Its possible that he won't look like the normal Church of Doom that we all know and love.

[Malacite]

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Tu'Lia actually hovers above Ro'Meave if I'm not mistaken? Given that the hall of the gods (and the warp to Tu'Lia) are both there.


And it's quite likely that Alexander resides in some secret part of Nyzule in the sky. IMO, that would be freaking awesome >. >

As for whether or not it's the heart or brain, that's hard to tell. The 4 ruins are his propulsion and I believe guidance systems? (or were they stabilizers? I forget) While the center (Nyzul Isle) is the control center (aka brain)

So I guess yeah, it would be his "heart" up in the clouds assuming that's what SE has planned. I didn't know that there was a 6th indentation though, that's pretty cool.

What I would like to see though, is that he comes to like under the empire's power, but since the AC's powering him are fake, something goes wrong and it falls on us to find the remaining 5 before the empire/beastmen do.

[Raydeus]

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My guess is the last Aht Urgan mission will be "The last verse".

[Legal Fish]

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Don't forget, Alex is being rebuilt from the parts of Proto-Ultima and Proto-Omega.

Wut?

Source.

Tu'Lia is above Qufim.

My guess is the last Aht Urgan mission will be "The last verse".

I wouldn't hold my breath. This has very little to do with the Ancients or their Portal to the Gods. It wouldn't make sense to add a quest to the Apocalypse Nigh, when it is already resolved.

I'm more interested in the Fellowship quest, since SE said they had to make a lot of story progress before they continue it.

[Akashimo]

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As I recall, Delkfutt's Tower was the power control center sending the crystal line energy to Tu'Lia. Tu'Lia should be above Ro'Maeve, being hall of the gods is what send you straight up there. Doesn't it look like you're being warped straight up? So why would it be over Qufim then?

[Aralays]

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The stuff with the two Proto-Weapons is following: everytime when you trade a part of them to the NPC for Homam or Nashira gear, the guy tells you something like "well done, adventurer, this stuff will help the empire in the restoration of the divinity of light". He comes from Aht Urghan, so it is pretty clear what is used to build the new body for Alex.

About Fellowship: Wasn't there in the last storyarc that the Blessed Radiance or (and?) the Blighted Gloom once destroyed a kingdom. Light power and dark power and Vassago is clearly praying to a dark divinity - so, could these mirrors be a link to Alex and Odin? A small carrier of their might, slightly similar to Carbuncle's Ruby?
I wonder if the Blessed Radiance may be a shard (?) of a Candescence or if the two are parts of one of the Ancient Mirrors in the beastmen strongholds. But what is really interesting for me, is the question if SE just waits to release the new quests because they don't want to give away background information about the things happening in Aradjiah or if the second fellowship storyarc happens after the things in ToAU (and need perhaps a finished ToAU to be accessible).

[manna]

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Perhaps he/she means it's above Quifim is because the placement of Tu'lia on the region map?

[Legal Fish]

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Tu'Lia is above Delfutt Tower. The crags send energy to the tower which sends the energy up. The traditional way of getting to Tu'Lia is through that tower, Eald uses it.

That comment about the pieces of Omega/Ultima being used to build Alexander is probably a throw-away one probably meant to get us excited about the then new expansion. The "new" Alexander was there as those ruins are ancient. It's more likely Omega/Ultima were originally apart of Alexander and the Zilart/Olduum/Kuluu/ect took it away from it.

Um... if I do this wrong, then sorry.

[spoiler]Likely the two companions of Aphmau are pieces of Alexander that are required.[/spoiler]