a new merit system please?

[Omniblast]

Re: a new merit system please?

noob aka-noobie
someone who is new to a game, or website, online game, or something

Not necessarily an insult.

Damn dirty noobs

Hmm I don't think that their entirely the same, even though everyone says that they are the same.

Noob (new*oob) adj.
1. A person who is new and or inexperienced to an environment,
situation, or game, but doesn’t admit it. This person also carries
the belief that they are experienced / skilled in that environment,
when reality proves otherwise.
2. A person who continually fails and does not learn from their
mistakes, and repeats the process.
3. A person who isn’t all “there” but doesn’t realize it.


see also, “newb”



Newb (new*b) noun.
1. Truncation of “newbie”. A neophyte.

Oh wait I just found the comic version of the definition.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060823

[Sevv]

Re: a new merit system please?

the link was simply amazing I couldn't stop laughing

[Lmnop]

Re: a new merit system please?

I saw the first few negative posts and... 4 pages in one day wow. I don't have time to read it all so I'll just feed you this link and hope it hasn't been posted already

A similar idea. And one that I would love to see. I'd hope for a minimum level of 20. I'd like to try war/rng right when you get acc bonus I, for instance.

[Sevv]

Re: a new merit system please?

I saw the first few negative posts and... 4 pages in one day wow. I don't have time to read it all so I'll just feed you this link and hope it hasn't been posted already
A similar idea. And one that I would love to see. I'd hope for a minimum level of 20. I'd like to try war/rng right when you get acc bonus I, for instance.

and in that thread did the op lie to us? or simply complain because they didn't get a party?

[Taskmage]

Re: a new merit system please?

Heh, nah but the idea was rejected even when it was presented by Icemage, iirc. Possible abuses and stuff. /shrug Maybe SE could find a way to make it work though.

[Lmnop]

Re: a new merit system please?

can I just be honest for a moment here?

Having just scanned this whole thread, I think you guys did an excellent job of being top class asshats.

Allow me to elaborate... he posts an idea. He isn't told "well, this wouldn't be good for X reason." Instead, he gets Mhurron's complete misunderstanding of the reason for the idea, and this little gem from Sev:

OMG MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES!!!!!

I don't care if the OP was lying or not (I think that he is now because he's been called a noob and wants to show he's not or... something. At any rate any time you call another person a noob, you make me wish an airplane would land on you). At this point, you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention, and then told him not to get angry when other people simply don't agree with his ideas.

And now you've made him out to be the bad guy and the troll!

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.

Obviously, I'm a supporter of an idea like this (since I sent an email suggesting it to S-E before Icemage's post even), but no one really cares why. You would rather just gloss over the details and think about how it'd affect you and how the world revolves around you.

And the best part is how I'll somehow be vilified for this post.

[Mhurron]

Re: a new merit system please?

you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention

I know exactly what he was saying. I know what his intentions were, but I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

It has nothing to do with not paying attention, just having some intelligence.

[Murphie]

Re: a new merit system please?

I doubt people will care enough to vilify you.

[Sevv]

Re: a new merit system please?

I didn't know this was a place where we couldn't make jokes you need to lighten the hell up lmnop. Being able to make a joke about something that has come up before use your own link as proof it has. Everyone wants to fix the merit system how do you give the rights at first to someone who said they haven't experianced the merit system. SO next time ill go


MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES

USE THE GD SEARCH FUNCTION FIRST!

[Skoal]

Re: a new merit system please?

i have heard the cries of players from all around vanidiel, they say its over populated with lvl 75's thus making it impossible for levels 10-60 and its making it difficult where no one can experience or level up, so i was thinking one day, infact i was thinking really hard about this.

why not add a merit system so you can select your level at any setting to get limit points?

there will have to be a new menu or a new npc involved in these locations so you can change levels to balance with your party. (specifically like at outposts) or menu wise.

select levels from 10-75

Note: you must have access to the merit system first befor doing this.

"as of now i do not know if this is a good location to ask this, or if even this is an official ffxi website" but if this is not, could some contact Square Enix about this issue?


my sincere regards

Bamont

Seems to me like the OP wants to be able to change his level to something lower and still get merits.

Why would anyone do this? It is a hell of a lot easier getting EXP at 75 then it is at any other point in the game, you (essentially) have access to all the gear the game offers and all job abilities.

Why would someone choose to get merit points a lot slower by partying at say lvl 40?

So it seems this post has a valid point. Lets say you change to level 40. You find 5 other people to party. What happens when they start leveling up? Do you wait around for 5 people who want to merit at level 40 so they won't get to 41? By the time you did all that you could have a merit point under your belt.

Also why merit at 40 or any other level. Slow exp sucks. I did that already getting to level 73. For me exping sucks. I exp for a means to an end. I want to do quests, mission, bcnms etc. I want to help people out and do new things. I HATE exping. Thats why it has taken me 3 years to get to 75.

I hope this helps you understand a little more Lmnop.

[Murphie]

Re: a new merit system please?

10k exp (or limit points) per merit. Prior to level 53, that's more exp than is needed to gain a level in your job. Why on earth would you want to not get that level (which will increase all of your stats, and possibly give you access to new spells and abilities) and instead get a merit point (which will possibly give you one point towards a marginal - at your level - increase in a stat)?

[Cotners]

Re: a new merit system please?

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

[Callisto]

Re: a new merit system please?

Normally I don't nitpick these things on the internet, because what's the point...but I just read through what happened on this thread since I left work, and I think Bamont's typing/spelling/grammar broke my brain. I thought maybe I wandered into a EU FFXI site or something for a second.

I'll be back, going to go flamm something.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: a new merit system please?

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.

I think both views can be true at the same time without being contradictory, provided the right context. Being able to level cap yourself to take advatage of easy camps is something you can take advatage of in the context of someone leveling from 1 to early 70s. During those levels, you don't see those amazing 15k to 25k an hour parties that you do at end game. Instead, you get a lot of 3k to 4k per hour grinds, with some level stretches having extremely easy camps compared to other level stretches. So in this respect, the feature could be "heavily abused".

Once you do get to 75, getting 10k+ an hour isn't all that difficult, especially if you're meritting as one of the preferred jobs for the typical TP burn setup. If you were faced with the option of either staying a lvl 75 to merit for that much, or cap yourself so you can do 3k to 4k per hour, which would you choose? From that point of view, this feature could be considered "completely worthless".

Two different threads. Two radically different conclusions. The ideas behind both threads were similar. But one addresses exp'ing in general from 1 to 75 while the other addresses just merits.

[Skoal]

Re: a new merit system please?

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

Playing a capped job with friends in a non-capped area. It works if everyone is switched to merits and will not level up. How is this going to help lower level people like the OP wanted too.

Knowing SE, IF this were to happen it would be in increments of 10 or something like that. I cap myself at 30, go to jungles in a few hours everyone is 2 levels above me and wants to move to other jungle. Do I just stay there and look for another party, or do I call it quits with maybe a merit or two? It just doesn't work.