Gimp Sub vs Pimp Gear

[Tekumel]

Re: Gimp Sub vs Pimp Gear

Yup, part and parcel of RDM-ness I'm glad to say.

RDM is so versitile, hence so many applicable subs. WHM, BLM are pretty much must, NIN if you plan to solo, DRK for endgame...

What goes with that is while lvling NIN, you will need to have WAR as a sub so that has to be leveld to at least 18. While doing WAR to 18, you'll need MNK to at least 9.

So to just get subs for 1 job you actually end up leveling like up to 6 other jobs.

Get used to it (and highkly recommend getting them done all at once so they are out the way). If it all sounds like too much work, RDM isnt for you

Eh...hell with MNK, just get WAR to 18 using /WHM & soloing EP-DC stuff in Konschtat. Easy XP, easy money (What in Konschtat DOESN'T have a money drop?), and a hell of a lot stressful than the Dooms (though it might take a bit longer, assuming you get parties in the Dunes that don't have their collective head up their ass).

[Vyuru]

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RDM can melee in *most* parties up to 30ish I'd say and not have a dramtic effect on performance, just dont expect to keep your TP. Until further on you are not *that* busy, and can afford a few swings here and there.

Actually, you can keep your TP now while resting.

FYI, rdm/war isn't really a good idea in general. There has been some talk about rdm/war being able to tank, and I would be kinda interested in this with spikes, En~ spells, Blink, Stoneskin, and Phalanx, however 99% of all exp parties will want the tried and true tanks and, pardon my language, you will be nothing more than a refresh/haste whore for a vast majority of your rdm career.

Sad but true people stop inviting rdm for enfeebles once you get Refresh. At least that is what other people have told me and what I have heard from other party members.

As far as effectivness goes, I honestly would rather toss out a nuke or something in my free time as rdm. I feel that my parties are better served by either my resting for more mp in order to keep the exp chain going, or tossing out a nuke, or some other magely activity rather than meleeing.

Keep in mind, properly geared, there will be little difference between your nukes and a black mage's nukes up until you get Stone II, once you get the tier II spells the damage difference is much more noticable, not so much when you both magic burst the spells though.

I think I would say to stick with the whm and blm subs, and maybe consider summoner, I really don't think I would recommend the melee route.

Although, rdm/mnk solo is really fun and surprisingly effective with shield blocks, counter, and parries.

[hongman]

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Actually, you can keep your TP now while resting.

Actually, I was referring to swaps for +INT/MND Wands....

[Kailea]

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Actually, I was referring to swaps for +INT/MND Wands....

besides you ony keep TP while resting, if you have signet

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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I really want to know what this level 22 "pimp" melee gear is. It's not like there's anything like Haubergeon at those low levels. There's Leaping Boots, but it's not like that +3 DEX is going to turn a subpar melee into a damage dealing machine (and it's not like we're talking about THF here either). Emperor Hairpin is level 24, but again, that's just another 3 DEX. Peacock Charm is level 33, and that's getting closer to what I might consider "pimp" melee gear.

How exactly do you pimp yourself out for melee at only level 22?

[ItazuraNhomango]

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How exactly do you pimp yourself out for melee at only level 22?

Auriga Xiphos! Lantern Shield! Spike Necklace! And, um... um... Vison Ring!

[Mhurron]

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Beetle +1

[Lunaryn]

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Actually, you can keep your TP now while resting.
FYI, rdm/war isn't really a good idea in general. There has been some talk about rdm/war being able to tank, and I would be kinda interested in this with spikes, En~ spells, Blink, Stoneskin, and Phalanx, however 99% of all exp parties will want the tried and true tanks and, pardon my language, you will be nothing more than a refresh/haste whore for a vast majority of your rdm career.

Speaking generally, I'll note that lack of tanks prevents parties forming fairly often, and if I think someone can work as a tank and they're interested in doing so, I'd give it a try rather than just not party at all. The main difficulty is that it's usually like pulling teeth trying to get someone in any job other than NIN or PLD to tank regardless of ability (e.g. WARs, PUPs, BLUs below 30, SAMs).

I'm actually doing RDM/WAR myself in a small static (currently level 14) since we don't have another viable tank in the group. It's an interesting experience.

A mildly gimped sub (1-2 levels) looks bad but isn't usually that bad (unless you're missing a key ability due to it), but a sub that's many levels below half-main-level isn't going to provide particularly effective boosts at all.

Keep in mind that most people aren't going to see your gear or know your skill when they're initially considering you; they are going to see your main job/level, sub job/level, and your location; if they're paying particular attention they might notice your rank/nationality, race, and whether you have a search comment (though if they bother to read the comment, and many won't, it won't be until after they've already decided they're somewhat interested in inviting you). A gimped sub represents a red flag that suggests a player may not be up to par, and various people will interpret it differently. If you're the only RDM seeking and the party needs an RDM, most aren't going to wait long for a 'better' one to pop up, but if there are 3-4 and you're the only RDM/WAR or the only RDM22/WHM1, you're likely to be ignored (unless the party has pretty unusual needs in the RDM/WAR case).

[Vandros]

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I have actually done a little bit of low lvl rdm/war tanking, was in Quifim, worked pretty well. Use a size 2 (round) shield if you do it though, and pretend you're a pld with more mp. I doubt it'd work very well past 37 or so, that's usually when Pld and Nin come in to their own.

to the OP, if you really really like melee rdm that swings between casts, and can sub war, may I suggest trying Blu when you hit 30?

[Dux]

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.......you will be nothing more than a refresh/haste whore for a vast majority of your rdm career.

I'm not sure why people feel that two of RDMs most usefull spells are such a burden. Without Haste and Refresh RDM would be a far less attractive mage to have in your party.

Sad but true people stop inviting rdm for enfeebles once you get Refresh. At least that is what other people have told me and what I have heard from other party members.

Stay away from people like that, they will be the death of you.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I'm not sure why people feel that two of RDMs most usefull spells are such a burden. Without Haste and Refresh RDM would be a far less attractive mage to have in your party.

/bow

Respect and Understanding! Much appreciate that!

You can call your own RDM a "***** whore" if you must, but mine is a treasured job. And, I gladly serve up Refresh, Haste, enfeebs, and more, with no resentment in my words or heart.

[Mhurron]

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I'm not sure why people feel that two of RDMs most usefull spells are such a burden. Without Haste and Refresh RDM would be a far less attractive mage to have in your party.

The spells aren't the burden, it's the mindset of the players that RDM has nothing but those 2 spells and should do nothing but sit there and cast them. That is what people are complaining about.

[Aksannyi]

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If there's a WHM who's willing, he's doing the Hasting. In a good blink party the WHM isn't doing much else anyway. I'm Refreshing and Enfeebling. I don't mind Haste if I have to - or if there's no other mage - but I kind of like it when the WHM does it.

When I'm WHM, however, I hate Haste. I just hate worrying about Haste. I have yet to figure out the cycle the way I have with Refresh. I'll learn it eventually, though.

[Mhurron]

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When I'm WHM, however, I hate Haste. I just hate worrying about Haste. I have yet to figure out the cycle the way I have with Refresh. I'll learn it eventually, though.

You, the tank, 2h weapon users, 1h weapon users.

That seems to work.

[Aksannyi]

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I've never considered Haste for myself to be necessary. Is it, really?