Disclaimer: This is still a work in progress. Doing even just 100 WS is time-consuming! Updates will be slow since both Lmnop and I have time constraints, but bear with us.
Anyways, about a week ago I sent a PM to Lmnop and we agreed to do some testing on Double Attack during WS, since I've never bought into the "You can only DA once per hand" theory. The idea is to do 200 WS with Fast Blade (2 hits,) Raging Rush (3 hits,) and Vorpal Blade (4 hits) to record the number of apparent Double Attacks as well as find an instance of 2 Double Attacks happening in the same WS. All of this is without Dual Wield, of course. Why did I say "apparent?" Well, we can't have perfect accuracy, so some WS may get a Double Attack yet also miss a hit, making it look like the DA never happened at all. Anyways...
Hypothesis: Each hit has a chance to get a Double Attack. For now we'll only be dealing with Double Attack and 4-hit WS at most, so the 8 hit cap won't be an issue. Assuming each hit has a chance to Double Attack, the rate of apparent Double Attacks should exceed 10%, and we should eventually see two Double Attacks happen in the same WS.
I just finished doing 100 Fast Blades. I'll be doing the other 100 next weekend (I can't play during the week. Internet issues, don't ask.) Here are the test conditions:
Lv.63 Paladin/31 Warrior
Attack: 292
Defense: 306
STR: 70+7
DEX: 50+8
Bronze Sword (DMG: 6 | Delay: 231)
Main targets: Bull Dhalmel, Zu
References:
TP per hit = 6.2
1 TP = 1st hit missed
2 TP = 1st hit miss + 1 DA's
3 TP = 1st hit miss + 2 DA's
6 TP = 2nd hit missed
7 TP = 2 hits
8 TP = 3 hits
9 TP = 4 hits
Damage ranges at 100 TP:
1 hit max: 91
2 hit max: 182
3 hit min: 182
3 hit max: 273
4 hit min: 243
Double Attack rate: 10%
Odds of two DAs in a row: 1%
Odds of landing two consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 90.25%
Odds of landing three consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 85.74%
Odds of landing four consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 81.45%
No.) Initial TP, TP return, Damage
001) 105, 6, 62
002) 109, 7, 159
XXX) 102, 7, 147
003) 131, 7, 181
004) 104, 8, 238
XXX) 111, 7, 150
005) 112, 7, 146
006) 108, 7, 141
007) 100, 7, 146
008) 100, 7, 145
009) 120, 1, 64
010) 118, 7, 167
011) 108, 7, 177
012) 104, 7, 148
013) 102, 1, 60
014) 102, 7, 147
015) 118, 1, 70
016) 102, 7, 154
017) 102, 7, 157
018) 100, 7, 149
019) 100, 7, 144
020) 100, 7, 156
021) 102, 7, 150
022) 101, 7, 167
023) 120, 7, 164
024) 108, 7, 164
025) 101, 7, 167
026) 100, 7, 151
027) 104, 1, 62
028) 100, 7, 140
029) 123, 7, 135
030) 110, 7, 155
031) 113, 1, 89
032) 104, 8, 226
033) 111, 6, 74
034) 107, 7, 132
035) 104, 1, 89
036) 110, 7, 155
037) 126, 8, 238
038) 102, 7, 137
039) 133, 7, 169
040) 104, 7, 122
041) 110, 7, 153
042) 104, 8, 208
043) 105, 7, 171
044) 100, 7, 146
045) 133, 7, 175
046) 100, 8, 235
047) 128, 8, 253
048) 111, 8, 208
049) 136, 8, 246
050) 113, 8, 234
051) 101, 7, 166
052) 104, 7, 172
053) 135, 7, 185
054) 109, 7, 146
055) 101, 7, 156
056) 123, 7, 182
057) 104, 7, 169
058) 106, 7, 140
059) 100, 7, 169
060) 106, 7, 152
061) 110, 7, 142
062) 140, 7, 153
063) 139, 7, 167
064) 106, 7, 147
065) 101, 7, 130
066) 106, 7, 155
067) 101, 7, 144
068) 100, 7, 138
069) 102, 7, 153
070) 108, 7, 175
071) 108, 8, 216
072) 108, 7, 149
073) 102, 7, 141
074) 104, 7, 163
075) 114, 7, 127
076) 102, 7, 161
077) 104, 7, 156
078) 100, 7, 155
079) 104, 7, 140
080) 102, 7, 146
081) 102, 7, 159
082) 118, 7, 156
083) 100, 8, 186
084) 128, 7, 150
085) 106, 7, 130
086) 100, 7, 129
087) 102, 8, 209
088) 106, 7, 123
089) 104, 7, 163
090) 108, 7, 163
091) 102, 7, 128
092) 102, 8, 190
093) 102, 8, 223
094) 101, 7, 164
095) 100, 7, 132
096) 110, 7, 139
097) 108, 7, 150
098) 104, 7, 174
099) 102, 7, 160
100) 100, 8, 227
*WS with XXX in their number were overkills and were recorded just in case, but excluded from the tests unless we happen to get an overkill with 2 DAs.
Data:
Exactly 6/100 Fast Blades missed the first hit (~95% accuracy cap)
At least 2/100 Fast Blades missed the second hit.
At least 15/100 Fast Blades had one Double Attack.
So far, no 4 hit Fast Blade. That's reasonable, since the odds of two Double Attacks in a row are 1%, but only 81.45% of those 4-hit Fast Blades will land all hits, so it's more of a 0.8145% chance. However, I did confirm 15 Double Attacks, and like I said earlier, that's only the minimum, since some of the 3 hit Fast Blades will miss a hit and look like a normal 2 hit Fast Blade. That's significantly higher than what I should've seen if only one hit has a chance at Double Attacking (in that case, we would've seen under 10% with the misses factored in) so so far it looks like the hypothesis may be right.
Hopefully after 100 more Fast Blades I'll find a 4 hit one. Well, that's all for now.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Anyone here really good at statistics? I'd like to know the correct way of calculating the odds of an X hit WS getting a single Double Attack, the odds of missing a certain number of hits out of 3, 4, 5, or 6 consecutive hits at 95% acc (to have an idea of how many Double Attacked Fast Blades/Raging Rushes/Vorpal Blades would look like a lower-hit WS.)
Anyways, about a week ago I sent a PM to Lmnop and we agreed to do some testing on Double Attack during WS, since I've never bought into the "You can only DA once per hand" theory. The idea is to do 200 WS with Fast Blade (2 hits,) Raging Rush (3 hits,) and Vorpal Blade (4 hits) to record the number of apparent Double Attacks as well as find an instance of 2 Double Attacks happening in the same WS. All of this is without Dual Wield, of course. Why did I say "apparent?" Well, we can't have perfect accuracy, so some WS may get a Double Attack yet also miss a hit, making it look like the DA never happened at all. Anyways...
Hypothesis: Each hit has a chance to get a Double Attack. For now we'll only be dealing with Double Attack and 4-hit WS at most, so the 8 hit cap won't be an issue. Assuming each hit has a chance to Double Attack, the rate of apparent Double Attacks should exceed 10%, and we should eventually see two Double Attacks happen in the same WS.
I just finished doing 100 Fast Blades. I'll be doing the other 100 next weekend (I can't play during the week. Internet issues, don't ask.) Here are the test conditions:
Lv.63 Paladin/31 Warrior
Attack: 292
Defense: 306
STR: 70+7
DEX: 50+8
Bronze Sword (DMG: 6 | Delay: 231)
Main targets: Bull Dhalmel, Zu
References:
TP per hit = 6.2
1 TP = 1st hit missed
2 TP = 1st hit miss + 1 DA's
3 TP = 1st hit miss + 2 DA's
6 TP = 2nd hit missed
7 TP = 2 hits
8 TP = 3 hits
9 TP = 4 hits
Damage ranges at 100 TP:
1 hit max: 91
2 hit max: 182
3 hit min: 182
3 hit max: 273
4 hit min: 243
Double Attack rate: 10%
Odds of two DAs in a row: 1%
Odds of landing two consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 90.25%
Odds of landing three consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 85.74%
Odds of landing four consecutive hits at 95% hit rate: 81.45%
No.) Initial TP, TP return, Damage
001) 105, 6, 62
002) 109, 7, 159
XXX) 102, 7, 147
003) 131, 7, 181
004) 104, 8, 238
XXX) 111, 7, 150
005) 112, 7, 146
006) 108, 7, 141
007) 100, 7, 146
008) 100, 7, 145
009) 120, 1, 64
010) 118, 7, 167
011) 108, 7, 177
012) 104, 7, 148
013) 102, 1, 60
014) 102, 7, 147
015) 118, 1, 70
016) 102, 7, 154
017) 102, 7, 157
018) 100, 7, 149
019) 100, 7, 144
020) 100, 7, 156
021) 102, 7, 150
022) 101, 7, 167
023) 120, 7, 164
024) 108, 7, 164
025) 101, 7, 167
026) 100, 7, 151
027) 104, 1, 62
028) 100, 7, 140
029) 123, 7, 135
030) 110, 7, 155
031) 113, 1, 89
032) 104, 8, 226
033) 111, 6, 74
034) 107, 7, 132
035) 104, 1, 89
036) 110, 7, 155
037) 126, 8, 238
038) 102, 7, 137
039) 133, 7, 169
040) 104, 7, 122
041) 110, 7, 153
042) 104, 8, 208
043) 105, 7, 171
044) 100, 7, 146
045) 133, 7, 175
046) 100, 8, 235
047) 128, 8, 253
048) 111, 8, 208
049) 136, 8, 246
050) 113, 8, 234
051) 101, 7, 166
052) 104, 7, 172
053) 135, 7, 185
054) 109, 7, 146
055) 101, 7, 156
056) 123, 7, 182
057) 104, 7, 169
058) 106, 7, 140
059) 100, 7, 169
060) 106, 7, 152
061) 110, 7, 142
062) 140, 7, 153
063) 139, 7, 167
064) 106, 7, 147
065) 101, 7, 130
066) 106, 7, 155
067) 101, 7, 144
068) 100, 7, 138
069) 102, 7, 153
070) 108, 7, 175
071) 108, 8, 216
072) 108, 7, 149
073) 102, 7, 141
074) 104, 7, 163
075) 114, 7, 127
076) 102, 7, 161
077) 104, 7, 156
078) 100, 7, 155
079) 104, 7, 140
080) 102, 7, 146
081) 102, 7, 159
082) 118, 7, 156
083) 100, 8, 186
084) 128, 7, 150
085) 106, 7, 130
086) 100, 7, 129
087) 102, 8, 209
088) 106, 7, 123
089) 104, 7, 163
090) 108, 7, 163
091) 102, 7, 128
092) 102, 8, 190
093) 102, 8, 223
094) 101, 7, 164
095) 100, 7, 132
096) 110, 7, 139
097) 108, 7, 150
098) 104, 7, 174
099) 102, 7, 160
100) 100, 8, 227
*WS with XXX in their number were overkills and were recorded just in case, but excluded from the tests unless we happen to get an overkill with 2 DAs.
Data:
Exactly 6/100 Fast Blades missed the first hit (~95% accuracy cap)
At least 2/100 Fast Blades missed the second hit.
At least 15/100 Fast Blades had one Double Attack.
So far, no 4 hit Fast Blade. That's reasonable, since the odds of two Double Attacks in a row are 1%, but only 81.45% of those 4-hit Fast Blades will land all hits, so it's more of a 0.8145% chance. However, I did confirm 15 Double Attacks, and like I said earlier, that's only the minimum, since some of the 3 hit Fast Blades will miss a hit and look like a normal 2 hit Fast Blade. That's significantly higher than what I should've seen if only one hit has a chance at Double Attacking (in that case, we would've seen under 10% with the misses factored in) so so far it looks like the hypothesis may be right.
Hopefully after 100 more Fast Blades I'll find a 4 hit one. Well, that's all for now.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Anyone here really good at statistics? I'd like to know the correct way of calculating the odds of an X hit WS getting a single Double Attack, the odds of missing a certain number of hits out of 3, 4, 5, or 6 consecutive hits at 95% acc (to have an idea of how many Double Attacked Fast Blades/Raging Rushes/Vorpal Blades would look like a lower-hit WS.)
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