Alexander!? O_o

[Karinya]

Re: Alexander!? O_o

I don't really understand how Alexander can be a biotechnological weapon, and at the same time be the celestial avatar of light. But he's right there in the star charts that have been around since release.

As Malacite points out, Odin's protocrystal is broken (which may have something to do with why he's posessing people). Who knows what it would take to restore it, if it's even possible at all.

As for the light protocrystal, I think the Moblins may have found it, and that's what all that "iron giant" stuff in the CoP storyline was about. What connection that has to the Alzadaal Ruins, I dunno. Maybe there's a spirit form of Alexander that's more like the other avatars, and the physical body was built in order to amplify his power, or restore it after his protocrystal was also broken? (And then used in the war against Ephramad, although I doubt that was its original purpose since I think it's actually of Olduum origin.)

I'm pretty sure that SE knows where they're going with this (storyline-wise, at least; they may or may not have decided yet whether they're going to add another summon), and it will make sense eventually, but right now there just aren't enough clues.

[Malacite]

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I agree, it's a little too vague.

Who the hell built Alexander in the 1st place? And how does Aht Urhgan know about Limbus? >- >


All we know about him for sure are the following; (Spoilers ahead)

1) He's the Celestial Avatar of Light

2) The Gordeus (box-thingy in Walahra temple) is his Blue Prints

3) He's powered by the Astral Candesences

4) Nyzule is his control center, and the other 4 remnants are stabilizers/propulsion

5) He once ravaged the Aridijah (sp?) continent and the Mamool Ja are scared s***less of his possible return

6) Pieces of Proto Omega and Ultima are being used in his reconstruction (O o)




As for Odin, I'm guessing that breaking his crystal is what allows him to roam the world (since the other celestials do not) but in a limited state (hence the possessing off people, such as Luzaf)

[Feba]

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I still doubt that. He's *way* too huge, despite being a living machine weapon. Also, I just can't see how Altana would have given him god-status as she did with Shiva and the other celestials. We've yet to find the protocrystal of light too (We know where the Darkness crystal, or rather what's left of it is)

That's exactly my point. The Avatars are projections of their true forms. We DO NOT summon the creature themselves. This would make it totally possible for puppetmaster to get an "Alexander Replica" type frame.

This was said earlier about Odin too, that he's too big. Our current avatars are smaller than their true forms as well, in fact I beleive that they're even smaller than the version you fight in the Cloister (which is the summon projecting themselves)

Alex is definitely SOME sort of Avatar, as he is in the Sky maps as an opposite to odin.

The moblins having found it definitely makes sense, as it is known that the Moblins and trolls are in cahoots, and the moblins were talking of finding something that looks a lot like him.

I wonder if it would be possible that Odin and Alexander (or at least, Odin) are actually Avatars of Promathia, not Altana. This could explain why Odin's protocrystal has shattered so recently... would that make it Protomagicite though?

[Legal Fish]

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Clarification: Limbus is a group of dimensions that are outside Vana'diel's reality. The realm of the Celestial Gods might also be apart of Limbus, but I have my doubts. Dynamis is Limbus.

[Sevv]

Re: Alexander!? O_o

dynamis is diabolos dream world

[Feba]

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dynamis is diabolos dream world

Limbus is a group of dimensions

Limbus is a group of dimensions

Limbus is a group of dimensions

Dynamis is Limbus.

Dynamis is Limbus.

dimensions that are outside Vana'diel's reality.

really now.

[Akashimo]

Re: Alexander!? O_o

Hmmm, so is Limbus inside Dynamis or Dynamis is inside Limbus?

[Feba]

Re: Alexander!? O_o

According to legal fish, Limbus is dimensions outside vana'diel's reality. Therefore, Dynamis falls into the description of a Limbus.


Also explains why Lower Promyvion and the Obelisk are so different, yet still classified under Limbus

[Akashimo]

Re: Alexander!? O_o

So, that would mean, any area that is not apart of the world of Vana'diel is limbus. What's to stop areas such as battlefields for avtars to be considered that? Isn't it in the dream world of the said avatar? And are the dynamis areas joined together like their counterpart areas to be a "Dynamis-Vana'diel"?

[Malacite]

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Argh, this is all so very flawed.


SE said we won't get Bahamut because he's too big, important to the story, and they'd have to power him down a bit. Technically, ALL the avatars are way the hell too strong, yet we got them anyway. Diabolos was at one point deemed to important as well, much like Bahamut.

Alexander and Odin are no exceptions to this. Both are rather big (Alexander razed the entire continent to the ground, or damn close to O . O) and are both critical to the Aht Urhgan Story. SE needs to come up with some better excuses, or otherwise cough up the remaining two Terrestrial and Celestial Avatars.

If we can project a mini Diabolos, we can damn well get a mini Alexander and Bahamut. Odin isn't even that big, maybe a few inches taller than Diabolos (infinitely more bad ass though)

[Legal Fish]

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Isn't it in the dream world of the said avatar?

Note. Might be spoilers ahead, I'll try to keep them small.

This is sort of personal belief, but I doubt their realms can be put into Limbus. Their realms seem sort of orderly and official, a part of the natural cosmos. I even believe the stars we see in the sky are actually the realm of these Avatars, but we have received no proof of that.

My theory is that there is no "space" in Vana'diel. What we saw in the final battlefield was the planes of Vana'diel's existence. When the true crystal shattered, it's eight lights split into the eight colorful stars we know. Again, no proof of this, yet anyway.

Limbus is rather chaotic. I would put Promyvion, Dynamis, Al'Taieu, Temenos(if it isn't already a part of Al'Taieu), and Apollyon(if it isn't already a part of Promyvion) in this group. These worlds seem to follow no strict rules. They can "move", be created, and ceased to exist. Dynamis is especially important because it's the Limbus area we know most about. Diabolos creates these pocket-dimensions at will. "CoP Dynamis" plot is based around how a few pockets of Dynamis were created without his power or knowledge.

If I had to draw up my idea of the FFXI cosmos it would look something like this(but circular):

Vana'diel |Void| Limbus |||Void||| Elemental Realms of Celestial Gods

[Malacite]

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My theory is that there is no "space" in Vana'diel. What we saw in the final battlefield was the planes of Vana'diel's existence. When the true crystal shattered, it's eight lights split into the eight colorful stars we know. Again, no proof of this, yet anyway.

I thought the great meltdown (the mother crystal) was what made it into the 5 Mother Crystals we have know, consequently spawning the 5 races we play.

[Legal Fish]

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I thought the great meltdown (the mother crystal) was what made it into the 5 Mother Crystals we have know, consequently spawning the 5 races we play.

The Meltdown took place on Vana'diel, after the five crystals were separated.

[Malacite]

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Been a while since I did the zilart missions so my memory is a bit sketchy. I know that it was the 8 celestial avatars that brought balance to the world though(Via the crystals?) but again, I suppose this was all before the great meltdown?