Underleveled subjob

[FinnDS]

Hello. I've just hit level 18 and done my subjob quest - so that also means I've changed jobs to start to level my BLM job. What I do feel though, and I hate to say this, is that it feels alittle disheartening to "start all over again". I want to primarily play WHM, not BLM every few levels. What I'm asking, is this:

Will I still be able to get into parties etc. as a WHM even if my subjob level isn't exactly as high as it should be? For instance, say I get my WHM to 22, but only have BLM to level 10. I realize people will choose first the player with better subjob level etc. but will this get me "banned" from joining parties? I just don't really know what to expect when it comes to subjobbing, or how people do it. Please enlighten me, sirs.

[Murphie]

Re: Underleveled subjob

Yes, you'll still be able to get into parties. But not good ones, and people will remember you as that guy who doesn't feel like he needs to level his sub.

Just level it all the way. You'll thank yourself for it later when you start to take pride in your job.

[Necropolis]

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At 75 your sub will cap at 37. Half of 37 is 18. And your whm is 18 now. Just take the time to level blm to 37 now, and then you'll never have to level it again.

People will still invite you, but like Murph said, not the good ones. Personally I will not invite someone that can't spend the time to level thier subjob. I don't mind if they don't have all possible subs leveled, as long as they have 1 appropriate sub leveled.

But for whm you'll want to level blm anyways for spells like warp, sleep, sleepga, and escape. They help a lot in teleporting and traveling around Vana'diel.

[Shadowneko]

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You'll be made fun of to no end and sometimes passed over for party invites. You'r basiclly gimping your main...you'll have less MP and no access to utilty spells like Warp, Escape and tractor. You won't have any of the semi-usefull latent abilites either.

[Jugil]

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Having an appropriately leveled subjob will, in the case of WHM/BLM, give you more HP/MP plus greater stat boosts, and access to some useful BLM abilities/spells: Warp, Sleep, Escape, Blaze/Ice Spikes, Elemental Seal, etc.

Yes, you will still get parties, but you will also leave a slightly bad first impression on people.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I mainly approach subjobs like this, I'll use levelling WHM sub as an example.

WHM to 9.
BLM to 18
WHM to 37

Done with WHM subjob, totally able to sub WHM for any job I choose from that point.

Its a bit flakey to stop one job to level the subjob every few levels, but I know high level players who still just want to level the main job and will attempt to hide an underlevelled or inappropriate subjob. This approach makes levelling subjobs tedious and more unpleasant than just getting the subjob done outright. Hiding your underlevelled sub is a shady practice that will earn you a bad reputation.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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If you could get an item that gave you +MP, +MND, and +INT all at the same time, would you try to get that item?

That's what having a fully leveled subjob is like. Actually, it's even better than that. It also grants you access to Job Abilities, Job Traits and Spells that you would not otherwise have access to. And it doesn't take up any of your equipment slots.

BTW, don't get disheartened at having to "start all over again." Look at it as an opportunity. You now have a chance at improving your own skills through a level stretch that you are already familiar with.

And having more than 1 job up to a reasonable level will also give you the flexibility to participate in so many activities. You'll want the flexibility of more than one job choice for things such as BCNMs, level capped missions, Garrison, etc.

[Jethreal]

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Sub jobs are great, levelling them not always so,

Keep you subs levelled and you can enjoy your main fully. I have levelled jobs 2 ways and this first one is definately better. 1. Level your sub fully to 37, then continue your main job. 2. level your main and sub at the same time, switching jobs every 5-10 levels.

I tried the second method while taking Cor up with a Rng sub and did it just because I was so stoked about Cor. However the temptation is to around 30 quit your sub levelling and then next thing you know ..bam!..you're 60 and have to go back to your sub. But, it's been a while, and you're not quite as good at it anymore...and you link when pulling..and ppl die.. /em shakes head... sorry got all flash-back scene there.

If you level one job at a time you will definately do them better and quicker than trying to do more than one at a time.

[Haggai]

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I'm gonna let out a little secret... I went from 18 to 20 on my BLM with a gimped sub O NOES! Yeah, I was BLM20/RDM8. I was super anxious to get my chocobo licence and I already had RDM to 8 from "trying it out." I figured that 8 was close enough, and I was only going to do it for two levels. Worked out okay, then again, I was a newb and didn't know any better.

After I got my bird licence, I did the proper thing and took WHM to 38 (I wanted Teleport-Altep and Yhoat) before I touched BLM again.

If I was to do it again, I'd have done it properly: WHM to 10, BLM to 18, BLM/WHM to 20, WHM/BLM to 37 (or 38), and BLM up

[Snowball]

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Okay, I think I may have a similar problem too.

I really like my THF job, and some day hope to take that to 75 too.
My highest job is my WHM right now, but I know that it's no match for a THF in a pt.
I was in a pt just a few days ago in Valkurm Dunes and used my THF, and had MNK as sub.

My THF is now lvl 20, but MNK is only 5.
Assuming that MNK is okay as sub in a pt, and since I'm hoping to take my THF to 75.
Is it crucial that I should take MNK to a high-ish lvl too? I never really intended to lvl any other tank jobs (would you call THF a tank job? I'm not sure) apart from THF because it has always been my favourite since I first started on it.

Will MNK be okay at lvl 5 all the way, or should it be levelled more, to help out with THF in a pt? Should I get MNK levelled to 37?

[Necropolis]

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Will MNK be okay at lvl 5 all the way, or should it be levelled more, to help out with THF in a pt? Should I get MNK levelled to 37?

No, your subjob should always be half of your main job. And not only mnk, but ninja is another common sub for thief.

Thief is a hard enough job to level at later levels as it is, having a gimped sub (especially one that's at level 5) will severly hinder your party invites.

The reason for leveling subs is that is gives you additional stats, abilities, spells, hp/mp. Having your sub at level 5 is not giving you much, if anything, in ways of stats.

[Mog]

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My highest job is my WHM right now, but I know that it's no match for a THF in a pt.

What do you mean by whm being no match for a thief in a party?

[Necropolis]

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What do you mean by whm being no match for a thief in a party?

I believe Snowball meant that whm was not a suitable sub for thf, which it isn't. That's the only job that she has fully levels as a sub for thf is the way I read it.

[Mog]

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I believe Snowball meant that whm was not a suitable sub for thf, which it isn't. That's the only job that she has fully levels as a sub for thf is the way I read it.

Ahh ok. Yeah.... thf subbed whm will produce interesting results.

The most viable sub for thief is ninja. Hope you're ready to farm necklaces. >.<

[Haggai]

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Will MNK be okay at lvl 5 all the way, or should it be levelled more, to help out with THF in a pt? Should I get MNK levelled to 37?

Definitely get another job up. THF/MNK can do well with Hand-to-Hand weapons, but most people will expect you to do THF/NIN later.

My suggestion: get MNK to 9, go WAR/MNK to 18, go NIN/WAR to 37, go THF/WAR until you decide to go THF/NIN. Don't go /NIN any earlier than 24, as it has nothing worth it until then. It is not uncommon to go THF/WAR or THF/MNK to mid-30s. This is probably the easiest route to take without being "gimp."