Spell suggestions

[MaverickDFZ]

Re: Spell suggestions

Please change the title of that post from CHANGES TO THE SECTION to RULES and erm, make it a sticky instead of the READ BEFORE POSTING, lol

[Legal Fish]

Re: Spell suggestions

Okay, just copy and paste what I'm about to write. It makes more sense:

PLD

Honor Spikes

Honor Spikes
Lv. 65 PLD
MP Cost: 41
Casting Time: 3 Seconds
Recast Time: 5 Minutes
Duration: 2 Minute

Covers you with magical divine spikes. Converts damage from physical attacks into MP. Effectiveness increases with every attack received.

-Converts damage taken from normal attacks into MP. Usually takes 5% to 10% of the damage and changes it into MP.
-Deals a small amount of Light damage with this. (Like all spikes, this gives no TP)
-The spell wears off after 2 minute or when the amount of MP recovered is equal to 50% of the PLD’s total MP at the time the spell was casted. Whatever happens first.
-The spell’s proc rate is based on how many times the PLD get’s hit. It increases with every hit. At first, it might not proc at all for the first two or three hits, but by the sixth or seventh, it will be almost 100% proc. It will also hit for 10% more often the more hits that are taken.
-When Shield and this proc at the same time, the PLD gains MP as if he had not used Shield at all. (The % comes from a non-reduced damage number)

Notice, this is an anti-PLD/NIN spell, as hiding behind shadows only weakens the maximum effect.

Enlight

Enlight
Lv 40 PLD (53 RDM)
MP Cost: 15 MP
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recast Time: 10 seconds

Unlike the other En-spells, this is based on Divine Magic, not Enhancing Magic. It is slightly harder to resist.

Libra

Lv. 75 PLD
MP Cost: 58
Casting Time: 2 Seconds
Recast Time: 3 Minutes
Duration: 15 seconds

This gives the PLD a magical “shadow” against magic. This Shield has the chance to completely negate spell/magic damage or greatly reduce the damage(60-90%). The strength of the ability is based on CHR.

-To take effect, a PLD needs a shield, to be facing the caster, and engaged with it.
-Can never totally negate the damage of AoE spells, much like Utsusemi.
-When completely resists damage: “X’s magic hardly concerns PLD”
-When it only semi-resists damage: “X’s magic is weakened by PLD’s will”
-Does not stack with Utsusemi or Blink. Overlap each other.
-Can be used with Cover. (When used with Cover, the magical attack hit the PLD instead and this ability takes effect).

Reduces enmity very slightly, almost as a fee.

This is kind of suppose to be paired with some Utsusemi nerfs vs Magic. Basically, as I detailed them in a previous post, tier of spell = number of shadows taken from spell, with AM/AMII/Holy being 6 Shadows. NIN's INT vs caster's INT(or MND) and Ninjetsu Skill vs Elemental/Divine Skill. A NIN main has a good chance of taking a spell down one shadow or two(or even more) if they focus their gear on it.

The nerf does two things:
1. Give magic its balls back... no longer will spells be seen as "take a couple of seconds to breath".
2. Give Ninjetsu more of a point.

With the above changes, NIN become masters at avoiding melee attacks and with Libra, PLD become masters at avoiding magic damage. A nice balance. (Well, it's not such a huge change... NIN can still be good at avoiding magic and PLD still have a good reason to sub /NIN if they'd like).

DRK

Endark

Endark
Lv 40 DRK (54 RDM)
MP Cost: 15 MP
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recast Time: 10 seconds

Unlike the other En-spells, this is based on Dark Magic, not Enhancing Magic. It is slightly harder to resist.

Last Resort and Magic

First off, Last Resort's duration is changed to 45 seconds... hate gain remains the same.

While Last Resort is on, DRK gain a big magical boost, roughly equal to 15% Potency and +15 Magic Accuracy(roughly equal to the bonuses from an elemental staff). At level 35, both increase by 1, and continue to every 10 levels, until at level 75 it is 20%/+20.

When subbed, this bonus is only 7%/+7, and does not rise.

Now is this very useful? Aside from Drain/Aspir, not really. But I think it would be very nice to have... just to create a reason, if just a tiny one, to have access to MAB and ect gear and elemental skill. All this does is create a situation that a DRK can use to create a new strategy involving magic. It may be popular, it may not be. It also gives BLM a weird sub they can use in some rare situations.

RDM

Refresh I and II

Refresh, the level 41 spell is renamed "Refresh II"

At level 24 spell is created, named "Refresh".
Lv. 24 RDM
MP Cost: 20 MP
Casting Time: 5 seconds
Recast Time: 20 seconds
Duration: 2 minutes and 24 seconds

1/tick Refresh is given to the target. This Refresh is overwritten by stronger effects of Refresh, from Refresh II or other things, like Juices.


Why add a lower tier Refresh? Two big reasons:
-Give RDM a point before level 41. Until then, they are not exactly desired much and don't perform like their job normally does passed 41. Usually "sub-healers" or poor nukers with some good enfeebling.
-A very powerful sub job choice that can weaken the hold that Refreshers have in making parties.

SMN

Too lazy to separate the rest

INT, MND, and CHR

Those three base stats have a huge effect on Summons.
INT effects the avatar’s STR and INT. (Atk, Magic Atk)
MND effects the avatar’s DEX and MND. (Acc, Magic Acc)
CHR effects the avatar’s VIT, AGL, and CHR. (Def, Eva)

Lightning Armor (Ramuh)
Is removed from the list of BPs SMN can use. Ramuh Prime and Summoner enemies still use it. It is replaced by Sage’s Story.

Nightmare (Diabolos)
Nightmare is changed into a Rage BP.

Crimson Howl (Ifrit)

The Warcry effect is changed into a unique effect, allowing it to stack with Warcry. It gives 10% Attack Bonus and has a base duration of 1 minute.

Sage’s Story
Replaces Lightning Armor as a BP for Ramuh
Ward BP
MP: 39

It gives the effect of Mage’s Ballad. This means it does not stack with Mage’s Ballad, but it does stack with Mage’s Ballad II. It also stacks with Refresh(I and II) and Evoker's Roll.

This makes COR + SMN/RDM parties quiet potent with Refresh.

BLM/DRK

Aspir II

Aspir II
Lv 75 BLM DRK
MP Cost: 35 MP
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recast Time: 4 minutes

Drains/Recovers about the same MP Aspir would. In addition it grants a potent, but unique Refresh effect(stacks with all previous Refresh) after the spell is casted. The Refresh effect lasts for 10 ticks.

The amount is equal to Dark Magic Skill /2 and then /10, rounding down. Example: At level 75 a BLM or DRK has 269 Skill(naked). That is 13 MP, for 10 ticks(130 extra MP).

Libra and Aspir II were not meant to be easy to get spells. They should be equal to Blackbelt in rank of difficulty to get. How about a quest like BB, where each Wyrm HNM(Tiamat, Vrtra, and Jorm) drops a rare/ex item(50%) that is traded in along with some synthized material made from their drops(got to show crafters love) and you get to pick a reward: Scroll of Libra, Scroll of Aspir II, Scroll of some other spell, A Ridil-like Polearm, and the best melee belt in the game.

Well, I was bored... has this been moved out of the "Ask SE" section yet? It should be.

[neighbortaru]

Re: Spell suggestions

the old rules (Read Before Ppsting thread) are still valid and was specified in that thread as well. you can't use that excuse... it was also in a big fat announcement on top of the forum so you really have no excuse...

[DakAttack]

Re: Spell suggestions

Why does everybody have ideas lately?

Feather is a spell in Oblivion that lowers your weight, effectively increasing your travelling speed.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Spell suggestions

We already have two tiers of movement speed songs and, really, the addtion of Raptor Mazurka was not only underwheming for its intended function, it was explioted for its underlying hate spike. It was a mistake to add a tier 1 version in the first place. Oh well.

Giving White Mage the Float spell, however, could have some interesting uses. I could be used to help parties overcome gaps on the field map or avoid damage from Earth-based spells like in prior games.

Invisible's old function wasn't actually to render yourself invisible in older games, but to increase a party member's evasion in combat. Evasion seems to be important to players and only COR and BRD can enhance evasion stats. We have three classes with Haste, three with refresh, why not a third here? Give WHM a teir 2 Invisible that briefly increases evasion.

Were I to give WHM any degree of offensive function, i'd give them access to the lower tier bows, like Rosa had in FFIV. Lower tier bows because if it did start a trend of WHM/RNG, it wouldn't be as bad. I think a bow would be appropriate for a back line support class.

[Malacite]

Re: Spell suggestions

Invisible in older games is actually Blink/Utsusemi (Edge)


EDIT: Exempting FF6 that is, which made you unable to attack and stay hidden and made you more vulnerable to magic

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Spell suggestions

Invisible in older games is actually Blink/Utsusemi (Edge)


EDIT: Exempting FF6 that is, which made you unable to attack and stay hidden and made you more vulnerable to magic

Edge's Spell was called Image and, yeah, Invisible nulled physical attacks in FFVI, but you could get nailed with magic all the same.

Never the less, White Mage did have an evasion spell it could cast on allies. perhaps another tier of Blink would be in order, functioning like Phalnax II where it can only be cast on an ally. NINs would have no reason for asking for it, but it would help PLDs and non-/NIN melee, if only a little.

Granted this is also what Garuda's AoE blink is for, but there are times you don't go /SMN, too.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Spell suggestions

I wouldn't mind seeing Holy take it's place as the ancient magic of WHM spells: Long cast/recast, heavy damage, and undeniably flashy.

It just wasn't done enough justice in this game.

[Feenicks]

Re: Spell suggestions

Apparantly it was quite powerful when the game was first released but later nerfed. I agree that it should be more powerful ... come on, it costs 100MP for gods sake.

[Necropolis]

Re: Spell suggestions

Rather than alter Holy, I'd rather have a merited Holy II or something.

Holy can do ok damage with enough mnd, Apollo's and the like, but I really like it because of it's fast cast. I don't have to time a MB, I just see the shiney ball of light, and have time to type /ma Holy <t> before the MB window closes.

Holy II, which is in the .dats I believe could be a more AM type spell. I wouldn't mind them taking martyr out and giving me Holy II in it's place. But I wouldn't complain if they never did that either.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Spell suggestions

Well, if we are talking about changing spells...

Quick note: Every change I make involving merits is based around the idea that the limit one day will be 5/10, just like Job Group I.

Light Damage Spells

Banish / Banish II / Banish III / Holy
(WHM and PLD)

The amount of damage these spells do is raised. They are roughly equal to BLM spells of the same tier(based on MP cost).

Banish = between Water and Aero in damage.

Banish II = between Water II and Aero II in damage.

Banish III = between Stone III and Water III in damage.

Holy = between Water III and Aero III in damage.

-Holy’s casting time changes to 2 seconds.
-Holy generates a large amount of enmity, above a Provoke.
-After being hit with Holy, Undead can be effected by Drain/Aspir/ect. The Undead will remain pretty potent to it (around50% reduction). This can be reduced further with enough MND.
-Holy's damage and duration(of the effect listed above) is effected by Banish potency merits.

With the spell I posted above "Honor Spikes" PLD will have a lot of MP to burn, they can use Holy as a great hate-gainer.

Holy II

Holy II becomes a choice for WHM in Job Category Group II.

Holy II
Lv. 75 WHM (merit)
MP Cost: 207
Casting Time: 5 Seconds
Recast Time: 1:30 Seconds

Holy II's base damage is about equal to a Thunder IV.

-Holy II lowers the enmity of caster, kind of like a reverse of Holy.
-It has the same effect on Undead as Holy does. Their effects stack.
-Holy II is effected by "Banish Potency" merits, just like Holy.

+3 Magic Burst Damage and -5 enmity per upgrade.

Ancient Magic II

The Magical Accuracy bonus from merit upgrades is removed and replaced by: "MP Cost-20".
Upgrades
1: 267
2: 247
3: 227
4: 207
Why? Because as it is, Thunder IV is far superior to these spells which are suppose to be the best spells in the game for BLM. MP/Damage for Thunder IV is 3.16ish. MP/Damage for AMII is 2.47. This closes the gap a bit, and even beats it when fully upgraded(5 merits).

Both of the above are kind of suppose to work with the whole SC/Converse MP change.

Basically, when you MB a spell, you get a 100% Conserve MP effect. Normally Conserve MP can reduce your spells by 16/x.. x being something of 8 to 15. When a spell is MBed, x will be 4 to 8. That is 1/2 to 1/4 normal MP cost. With this, WHMs(PLDs, DRKs, ect) can MB without feeling the MP loss. Also, it gives BLM more staying power in a quick merit party.

Merited BPs

Can't type this out right now, I'm in a rush. However, these BPs work like Diabolos' Nether Blast. They have a set damage which is based on current TP. I'll edit in full details later.

[Malacite]

Re: Spell suggestions

Edge's Spell was called Image and, yeah, Invisible nulled physical attacks in FFVI, but you could get nailed with magic all the same.

True, but it's still the same blink spell/ability that was in FF2/5. And Image was the name given to the NA version, so you never know. I really wish SE had made the spell (utsu & blink) function the way it did in FF2/4/5 instead of the way it does now.

Oh well.

[Mog]

Re: Spell suggestions

Edge's Spell was called Image and, yeah, Invisible nulled physical attacks in FFVI, but you could get nailed with magic all the same.

Aye. Invisible was a weaker form of shadows in FFXI, as any magic at all would nullify the invisible. Shadow ( the character ) could also put shadows on himself, not exactly sure what it did besides evade physical attacks though. Long time since I've played that game..

You know what spells I'd really like from past games? Here:

Whm:

Libra
Frog
Pig
Float

Blm:

Meteor
Comet
Aspir II
Tier V

[FinnDS]

Re: Spell suggestions

If you want to go fast, you always have your chocobos. As for offensive spells, I don't see why a WHM would need something like that. It's a supportive class, and the whole nature of the game is to party with such a class, hence you won't really need all those offensive spells.

[Malacite]

Re: Spell suggestions

You know what spells I'd really like from past games? Here:

Whm:

Libra
Frog
Pig
Float

Blm:

Meteor
Comet
Aspir II
Tier V

Comet, Meteor, Aspir II and Libra are all in the game right now, as are Tier V single nukes and Tier 4 Aga. Some of these are currently mob only spells, and the rest haven't been implemented yet (if ever)