How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Whats the call on getting killed by the mirror guards in mamook when exp pty has to find a new camp, got killed, reraised at the moment a mob came to aggro range and dead again? >_>; current situation for me atm.
Edit: Oh and if my estimate is right, both deaths resulted in loss of the exp I gained from this pty, lol.....

[Vyuru]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Well, while I can understand and respect Celeal's position, I'm gonna have to disagree.

I don't get alot of time to play, and I know that alot of other people do, so I may log on with only 3 hours to play, happens alot. Now I for sure want to get some exp, if I'm lucky I can make a party in under 20 minutes, if not, it may take me up to an hour to make one. Some people say that I shouldn't even make a party then, but I want to progress, and I don't want to have to solo all the way to 75. I will judge how the party works, 99% of the time most people will want to continue, so I'll get a replacement for myself when the time comes.

The other 1% of the time however 3 or more people may want to stop, so actually when I leave happens to be a good time to just disband the party. Rarely happens but it does.

You know, if I make a good party that works well, just because I have to leave I don't want the other 5 members to be suddenly without a party. That is why I dislike the japanese method of one person goes, everyone disbands. If it was a hard to find job, then sure I could understand. But if it's a thf say, and there are 10+ thfs lfg, and the party plans on going on for another hour or two, I'd rather get that replacement and continue the party.


If something is wrong with the party, I'll let the party leader know ahead of time that hey, such and such might not be such a good idea.

I also have the mindset that exp is exp, my minimum acceptable exp/hr rate is about 3k/hr, with or without exp band. If it's less than that it normally means sitting around waiting for some afk person or persons, and I'm sorry, but for the most part that is unacceptable to me.

I don't mind if you need to put your kid to bed, or something comes up. But don't say suddenly, "gotta run to burger king, be back in 20 minutes" or, "brb, smoke break" and leave for 30 minutes. If that is what's going on, I will leave. I don't get alot of time to play this game, so I either want to get in and get the job done, or at the very least have fun with the people I'm with. If we're sitting around doing nothing, and I do not like the people in the party, I will leave.

Flipside of that is if someone is doing something stupid, REALLY stupid, like casting Flare or Thundaga III on Colibri stupid. If the party isn't working together that well, well I normally stick through it so long as the exp is decent. I'm normally the SATA partner for thfs, so if a thf takes awhile to setup SATA I'll try to help them, and so far all have listened to me. However there are some parties that the players are just BAD. Case in point would be when I wound up tanking Velociraptors in the Valley of Sorrow as dragoon, dragoon no less, because the ninja couldn't hold hate worth anything, and I still did a better job than she did.

About the only time I can think of that I left a party was when a puller brought in two Soldier Crawlers, and I slept one (rdm/blm) and the other rdm cast Dia on it, and then let me and the rest of the party die, and then afterward sent me a /tell saying something to the effect of, "lol, guess having Dispel isn't all it's cracked up to be" For the record, I had dispel and mage gear, she had only enspells, no dispel, and melee gear. With a party member willing to MPK other party members for petty reasons, yeah I left that party.

[Clever Ninja]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Just because FFXI is a timesink doesn't mean its ok for people to deal with crappy parties. I've gotten to the point where I won't step INTO THE DUNES for partying outside of an LS one due to how stupid people are in that level range. I rather take twice to three times as long to get to 20 and keep my sanity. If a party isn't flowing, there's no reason to stick with it. Ever. We all pay our monthly fee, and although the other five people are doing the same thing, that doesn't mean you have to suffer because they chose to suffer as well.

Granted I don't expect AWESOME parties all the time. I'd never level like that. But, as its been said, a crappy party is a crappy party. Not everyone flows together when it comes to partying, and frankly if thats the case then whatever, I'll leave the PT after informing them that I don't like the setup and feel my time is being wasted here. If I can't form my own PT in 15-20 minutes or get an invite then I'll drop xping for that night and level another job or farm crafting mats. That or when I get to 30 on my Hume I'll unlock BST and level it in these instances.

I play this game to have fun, and standing around getting crappy exp =/= fun. I'm in no rush to level fast, I still have tons of quests to do, I'm only Rank 3 in Bastok, and I have a weird fetish with killing bees. I have other things I can do :3

[Jarre]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Thankfully my job gives me a good excuse to get out of bad partys. At the begining of each aprty I always tell the leader if I'm on call that night as I have ahd to in some cases quick log to go to an incident. people are cool and quite supportive with this as long as I tell them first. As they can't actually hear my pager when it goes off, if I need to get out quick due to a crap party its. "sorry guys, fire call" and I log.

[Pawkeshup]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

I normally just say "This party isn't working well. I'm gonna flag up and seek another."

Then I disband, and if any party member asks me why, I tell them flat out.

[Kholdstare]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Granted I don't expect AWESOME parties all the time. I'd never level like that. But, as its been said, a crappy party is a crappy party.

You are probably the only person I have ever met that DOESN'T expect awesome parties all the time. Especially in the current state of the game.

I suppose I just have a higher tolerance for parties than most. Usually everyone's fairly talkative so I don't notice the crappy exp, or I do and don't care.

I've only had a few parties where I've gotten up the gall to leave. Both were pulling probably 3k/hour or somewhere in there, and NOBODY talked but me, and usually my talking was in the vein of "Dispel the crab you idiot!" or "Most people like to be healed once they've taken damage." etc.

Really, today's players by and large simply lower the standards, so just about every party is crappy, even if you get gobs of exp.

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Start leveling pld/blu, drg/mage or bst/whm then ^^ no way to put up with pties then unless they move on your camp ^.^ j/p, anyways, yea, people do have annoyingly low standards. Very few parties I had this week were enjoyable e.g.) amusing chat while pulling safe, steady 5k/hour+ exp.

[Kholdstare]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Start leveling pld/blu, drg/mage or bst/whm then ^^ no way to put up with pties then unless they move on your camp ^.^ j/p, anyways, yea, people do have annoyingly low standards. Very few parties I had this week were enjoyable e.g.) amusing chat while pulling safe, steady 5k/hour+ exp.

Once I get to the point where I can solo imps on BLU/NIN, most parties can go to hell, to be honest.

As for BST, I don't want to level it again (52 now) until certain... issues are resolved.

I never heard of PLD/BLU soloing, though.

[Akashimo]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Cocoon gives such insane def boost @.@ like 50% of your current I believe. Add some of the DD spells, more of an mp pool and the weak but still useful stoneskin(metallic body) you'll love it =3 Oh and set some spells that add +vit

[Clever Ninja]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

You are probably the only person I have ever met that DOESN'T expect awesome parties all the time. Especially in the current state of the game.

The Dunes and Garliage Citadel have severly lowered my standards, blame it on those places :/. Granted I still won't deal with crappy exp, but I don't go into a pt expecting OMGWTFBBQ awesome pwnage.

[Aksannyi]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

Thankfully my job gives me a good excuse to get out of bad partys. At the begining of each aprty I always tell the leader if I'm on call that night as I have ahd to in some cases quick log to go to an incident. people are cool and quite supportive with this as long as I tell them first. As they can't actually hear my pager when it goes off, if I need to get out quick due to a crap party its. "sorry guys, fire call" and I log.

Similar situation for me, only it's my kids. I tell them that my kids are asleep - which they usually are by the time I get a chance to play - and that they may wake up during the party and I may need to AFK or just leave at a moment's notice. Most parties are understanding. On rare occasions I will set them up in their playroom with Spongebob on and listen for them, and these are the times when I definitely tell the party that I may have to go if my kids get antsy. Most of the time I can get at least two hours of playtime if I put them in the playroom, but I generally won't PT if I think they're going to keep me busy enough to make my playing suffer.

Then there was the one party where my son fell down the stairs (long story, but I was not supposed to be supervising them, my mom gave me a break and I decided to PT for a while, kid climbed up the stairs, fell, and I had a quick emergency on my hands) and the party didn't believe me. "YEAH, SUUUUUUUUUUUURE," they said. Well, I'm sorry if you don't want to believe me, but my kids will always have priority over this game, and if I have to leave because of them I'm not shy about saying so. He was fine, no cuts or anything, just a bruise and a bit of crying. I kept a close eye on him for a few hours then came back and played later after he'd gone to sleep. Shit happens.

That being said, have I used them as an excuse before? Only once or twice. For really crappy parties, I will just say that it's not working out, and ask the party if they want a replacement. Most of the time the other members know that it sucks, and will say {No thanks.} to the replacement. This way I know I can drop PT and seek right away afterwards without any guilt. Because if I really want to level but make up some excuse about why I can't play, for me to drop and then be seeking five seconds later is just rude. At least if I'm honest I can continue doing what I wanted to, which was level.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

As for BST, I don't want to level it again (52 now) until certain... issues are resolved.

It'll never get to 75 unless SE fixes what you're hoping they will and in most cases with recent updates, SE came up with solutions players didn't always consider themselves.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

I don't get alot of time to play, and I know that alot of other people do, so I may log on with only 3 hours to play, happens alot.

I'm in the same boat. I have one shot at significant play time once a week, for a window of about 3 to 4 hours, and that's it. I can enjoy even crappy parties which are mildly dysfunctional. Why? Because I enjoy progress. For those players who say that they are more than willing to ditch a subpar party even with a DD job, I wonder how many of them felt that way on their first job to 75 (and among them, which ones were leveling one of the lesser viewed DD job, as opposed to RDM/BRD/DD flavor of the day/etc).

[Murphie]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

I'm in the same boat. I have one shot at significant play time once a week, for a window of about 3 to 4 hours, and that's it. I can enjoy even crappy parties which are mildly dysfunctional. Why? Because I enjoy progress. For those players who say that they are more than willing to ditch a subpar party even with a DD job, I wonder how many of them felt that way on their first job to 75 (and among them, which ones were leveling one of the lesser viewed DD job, as opposed to RDM/BRD/DD flavor of the day/etc).

*raises hand*

I have always felt like this, even back when I was leveling DRG full time. If the party sucks and I'm not having fun, I'm going to disband. I play to have fun, and progress is just a bonus. If I'm not having fun, I'm not partying.

[Celeal]

Re: How to leave a party without saying "This PT sucks?"

IMHO, it is okay to ditch a party. However, how the player ditch the party matters.

In between the time that the player finds out that the party sucks, and the time when he ditch the party, there would be opportunity for him to "try something for the party" before he hits the disband button.

Some party may have some issue or not optimum to begin with. However, give the party a few suggestion, a little time and effort to work it out, there could be a possible solution. If there isn't any way to solve the issue, the player can leave the party and saying "we tried honestly, unfortunately the party does not work out."