Dagger & Sword

[Raydeus]

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P.S. Does anyone know if Martial Knife gets more MP from Energy Steal/Drain? Enough to make it worth using despite its otherwise poor stats?

It does because it counts the WS +100 TP, so the same amount of MP drained at 200TP with any other dagger is the amount of MP you get at 100TP with Martial.

Same goes for WS like Moonlight (Club).

[Taskmage]

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Mob TP gain speed shouldn't have any significant weight when choosing a weapon. It just doesn't make a difference most of the time.

In a party I'd agree with you entirely, but in solo or duo where a rdm can actually get away with melee, it can make a significant difference. Still not a major consideration but not an entirely negligable one either.

[TenchiHawkwing]

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If you're soloing RDM with a wannabe DD setup just for fun I'd say Dagger & Sword, not one or the other. Mainhand dagger for Evisceration and offhand Joyeuse for it's DPS & TP gain. Throw on an enspell and goto work spamming Evis.

It's damn fun, I'll have to level RDM on my own character so I can do that when I'm not at my cousin's house. You can destroy EP/DC mobs like that and take EM/Ts down with minimal effort even with their TP moves comin' at you.

I definitely wouldn't say it was the most effective way of doing much of anything... it was just fun. But being a PLD main, my vote is going for Sword.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

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I tend to think that Hornetneedle & Martial Knife are just about the best weapons in the game overall for a RDM. With Joytoy being a very close and personal running 2nd. Havent' fooled with E.Sword but yeah lolz.

My Taru RDM friend could pull off 4-500 Cyclones on a T w/Martial Knfie and w/a full int+mab setup and easily 24ish dmg from -En spells per hit with the right gear. He also had /nin and supponomimi. I was really impressed lol, so I switched to it on my mithra (last character.) He and I use to duo the buffalo for xp merit up on Bearclaw Pinnacle and we could do 3k per hour just by ourselves lol. It was rather novel.

With daggers, if the mob happens to be an MP user and you're in an emergency, you could quickly gett of an Energy Drain for some nice phat litte mp. That's a bonus.

Evisceration is cool against TW to EP mobs, but I didn't like it for anything more than that. Cyclone seems to almost ignore this however and works the same regardless.

[Armando]

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How do you figure Hornetneedle is better than Joyeuse? Joyeuse hits as often as a Hornetneedle with more than twice the DMG/sec.

[hongman]

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If i have 1 hand dagger and offhand Sword...

1) does this reduce the delay vs sword + sword?
2) can i skillup on both?

Currently wielding Dst. baselard and WWA.

[Shadowneko]

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I think the Dagger WS's are quite good tbh, overall.

Or maybe its mob specific. I was skilling up on Doom Scorps in ALtep, and Gust Slash on 200-300% would yield around 260ish dmg, and Cyclone a lil bit more.

Shining Strike/Fast Blade/Burning Blade didnt quite get over 200ish.

Dancing Edge is only a THF iirc Maybe Ill have to lvl THF just to use it a few times XD

Its just amazing how a 300% Viper hits for like 60 and then add a Crit to it and you're looking hundreds...

Wise, I know its is very very situational, thats why I tried to generalise it as much as possible by asking "if you had to pick one". Some people will be able to outright say they prefer one over another, whilst some cant/wont. Thats ok though.

Cyclone is an AoE tho and it's really dangerous in parties! I never used it except when farming...

[hongman]

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Cyclone is an AoE tho and it's really dangerous in parties! I never used it except when farming...

I know when I can use AoE's and when I cant/shouldnt

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

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How do you figure Hornetneedle is better than Joyeuse? Joyeuse hits as often as a Hornetneedle with more than twice the DMG/sec.

I owned a Joyeuse on my prev character before it was cancelled. I never found any difference in terms of speed of killing vs the two weapons, except, for the fact that I could perform stronger WS dmg w/Cyclone than I could w/Joyeuse.

The sword looks pretty, its a huge effort to get (in a sense).... I didn't think it was that great of an improvement over what I had already been working w/in solo play for quite a while. I was actually unimpressed and somewhat let down.

Now, I never sat down and calculated a bunch of nerdy math about it. If you happen to do that and show its better, then that would be awesome and I'll be believer that its the "zomgwtfbbqsw0rdofthagodz." lol

However, now that I think about it, I did say overall. Did you miss that part?

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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If i have 1 hand dagger and offhand Sword...

1) does this reduce the delay vs sword + sword?
2) can i skillup on both?

Currently wielding Dst. baselard and WWA.

1) Your overall delay when dual wielding is calculated by averaging the delay of both weapons. So a dagger/sword setup will have less delay than a sword/sword setup.
2) Yes, you can skill up both weapons at the same time.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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How do you figure Hornetneedle is better than Joyeuse? Joyeuse hits as often as a Hornetneedle with more than twice the DMG/sec.

Perhaps Hornetneedle isn't as good as Joyeuse, but it's definitely more accessible.

[Taskmage]

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Joyeuse is better than Hornetneedle in every concievable way.

1. It hits harder. Joyeuse has a damage rating of 35 vs Hornetneedle's 16.
2. It hits faster. Hornetneedle has a delay of 150. Joyeuse has a delay of 224 but double attacks half the time. Three attacks in two rounds is equivalent to each hit having 149.33 delay.
3. It gains TP faster. Even though Joyeuse's effective delay is slightly lower than Hornetneedle's, it still gains TP per hit based on its listed delay of 224, so Joyeuse gets 6.1 TP per hit while Hornetneedle gets only 5. When Joyeuse hits 300% TP a Hornetneedle would only be at 250%. In the time it takes for Hornetneedle to charge a 500+ damage 300 tp Cyclone, a Joyeuse could've done three 220+ damage 100 tp Savage Blade or better yet four 350+ damage 100 tp Vorpal Blades, since each of those WSes pushes the sword farther ahead in TP.

Hornetneedle was my pride and joy for 27 levels, but "overall" it doesn't hold a candle to Joytoy.

[Konie]

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hmm dagger gets my vote, thf main so umm yea, sword is nice but it doesnt have a single spectacular WS (although it has allot of solid ws's) daggers are just cool too

i used to have a kitty named dagger... and princess garnet in ffix calls herself dagger

so for this kitten daggers rule!!!

p.s. biggest dilema of my life was dager or sword merits x.x i swear it was worse then dark chocolate or milk chocolate (chocolate won)

[forevergamer]

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sword for me.but off course,it still depends on the job you have.personally,i'd go for the sword.much cooler to wave around.

Keep playing!!I do!!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Sword if its for honor.
Dagger if its personal